# Forbidden thread for Hawkeye's mafia game. **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 31, 2008, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457 "2008-10-31T16:49:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/1 "2008-10-31T16:49:03Z")
Please: No outright spoilers if you know them. Just random discussions and observations about things going on in the current mafia game. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/2 "2008-10-31T17:55:02Z")
_Subscribes_ I hope everyone enjoy the game. Working up the roles has been fun. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/3 "2008-10-31T17:56:39Z")
But I want to be spoiled… **IF YOU ARE THIS GAME STOP READING THIS THREAD** ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/4 "2008-10-31T19:20:23Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > But I want to be spoiled… > > **IF YOU ARE THIS GAME STOP READING THIS THREAD** And you might want to consider taking a break from Mafia for a while, if, ya know, you’ve become the game. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/5 "2008-10-31T19:27:37Z")
Hey, I can hang out here for a while! Cool! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/6 "2008-10-31T19:56:03Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > And you might want to consider taking a break from Mafia for a while, if, ya know, you’ve become the game. Word. This is gonna be a fun one. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![mmouse9799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mmouse9799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mmouse9799)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/7 "2008-10-31T20:37:53Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Word. > > This is gonna be a fun one. 😃 I’m glad you think so. I was a bit concerned over how the random-end-of-day concept would be received. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/8 "2008-10-31T20:39:52Z")
> [@mmouse9799](#): > > I’m glad you think so. I was a bit concerned over how the random-end-of-day concept would be received. I think it is going to be very different, but in a good way. Kinda like borda count in the last game made things different. I don’t really want to say more right here. ---
**Author:** ![mmouse9799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mmouse9799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mmouse9799)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/9 "2008-10-31T20:52:14Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I think it is going to be very different, but in a good way. Kinda like borda count in the last game made things different. I don’t really want to say more right here. I didn’t follow the last game, so I don’t know what the “borda count” was… If you don’t mind saying more, and just don’t want to do it here, I’m all spoilered up, so we can take it there. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/10 "2008-10-31T20:55:35Z")
> [@mmouse9799](#): > > I didn’t follow the last game, so I don’t know what the “borda count” was… > > If you don’t mind saying more, and just don’t want to do it here, I’m all spoilered up, so we can take it there. I am just afraid I am going to let something slip accidentally, you know? Off to the spoiler boards! ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/11 "2008-10-31T21:13:12Z")
> [@mmouse9799](#): > > I didn’t follow the last game, so I don’t know what the “borda count” was… In the borda count, everybody had three votes instead of just one. Your #1 vote counted for 3 points, your #2 vote counted for 2 votes and your #3 vote counted for 1 point. Each vote had to be placed on a different person. ---
**Author:** ![mmouse9799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mmouse9799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mmouse9799)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/12 "2008-10-31T21:47:58Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > In the borda count, everybody had three votes instead of just one. Your #1 vote counted for 3 points, your #2 vote counted for 2 votes and your #3 vote counted for 1 point. Each vote had to be placed on a different person. That sounds very confusing for whomever was keeping track of votes/points. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/13 "2008-11-02T22:23:03Z")
Let’s get some chatter here. Pregame predictions? Thoughts on how the random voting will go? The forbidden threads lately have been very disappointing. ---
**Author:** ![dotchan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@dotchan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dotchan)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/14 "2008-11-03T03:03:33Z")
Well, “dotchan” was already a role name for the Gastard Mod Game as the “Obviously Innocent Townie”, so I’m not expecting to see me pop up in this one. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/15 "2008-11-03T18:46:42Z")
Nice to see some new blood playing. I thought of signing up but decided I need a bit more of a break. Looking forward to reading it, though! I think the random Day length is a brilliant new wrinkle that will force people to revise their strategy. If I were playing, I would find the lack of knowledge about the various roles in play annoying, but that’s just me. My prediction is that Day One will consist largely of idle WIFOM speculation on the nature of the various roles. I would not be surprised if the lynchee gets done in for appearing to have too much information on this topic. I doubt, given this setup, that there will be much talk of a mass roleclaim. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/16 "2008-11-03T18:51:19Z")
I’m here, watching, and terribly interested. The random Day length is a tremendous tool to reinspire some urgency in the players. I think eventually they will reach a consensus way to deal with it - someone has already proposed the most reasonable solution, which is that everyone treat it as if the Day is 48 hours long, and vote by the 48 hour mark. They can then spend the remainder of each Day, whatever that turns out to be, discussing the following Day’s lynch. Perfectly reasonable solution, but one with which they’ll never, ever stick. No opinions yet on individual players. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/17 "2008-11-03T18:59:09Z")
Actually, here’s one very early, completely out-of-the-blue speculation: **Fretful Porpentine** would earn my early vote just for that post saying “if there’s no Detective, we’re screwed.” That line of thinking is exactly what scum want everyone to think - _let’s rely on the investigators, they’ll figure the whole thing out for us._ ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/18 "2008-11-03T19:35:49Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > If I were playing, I would find the lack of knowledge about the various roles in play annoying, but that’s just me. When I originally envisioned this game it had much more of an open setup. There was always the need for some closed aspects, but they were going to be the exception rather than the norm. In the end though I don’t think an open game would have given the scum enough cover from a mass claim. > [@](#): > > My prediction is that Day One will consist largely of idle WIFOM speculation on the nature of the various roles. I would not be surprised if the lynchee gets done in for appearing to have too much information on this topic. I doubt, given this setup, that there will be much talk of a mass roleclaim. I predict the town will be too worried to lynch a power role, and a claimed vanilla will get lynched instead. Most likely an actual vanilla. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/19 "2008-11-03T19:42:28Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > I’m here, watching, and terribly interested. The random Day length is a tremendous tool to reinspire some urgency in the players. I think eventually they will reach a consensus way to deal with it - someone has already proposed the most reasonable solution, which is that everyone treat it as if the Day is 48 hours long, and vote by the 48 hour mark. They can then spend the remainder of each Day, whatever that turns out to be, discussing the following Day’s lynch. > > Perfectly reasonable solution, but one with which they’ll never, ever stick. If players were able to stick to that solution, i don’t think this game concept would have been necessary. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/20 "2008-11-03T19:43:30Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > If players were able to stick to that solution, i don’t think this game concept would have been necessary. Agreed. I am not convinced that the players will be able to come up with any sort of solution they will be able to stick to. It will be interesting to watch them try. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457.md?page=2)