# Forbidden thread for Hawkeye's mafia game. **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 31, 2008, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457 "2008-10-31T16:49:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/61 "2008-11-11T18:32:13Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > What’s up with the votes on Blaster? What information do you expect to get from his lynch? His contributions are nil. Whatever his alignment, there’s no record to hold against. It’s a waste of a lynch. This from the guy who earlier on voted for **peeker** because his contributions were incomprehensible? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/62 "2008-11-11T18:47:11Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > But at the same time, by baiting people, you get to see everyone’s reactions to it. You get people to comment on the record, both the targets and the observors. The more you force scum to go on record, the more you can catch them in contradictions and weaseling later. Also, the baiter himself is on record for the gambit, which will be part of that player’s overall noteable pattern. I can’t say too much, being spoiled, but the way this went down by all involved (the baiter, the baitee, and the other commenters) _is_ interesting. > > Assuming he’s Town, I’m not sure I agree with how he went about this, especially since the risk had no direct payoff, and lying does create noise. But he did troll some reactions, and should those involved in the discussion be confirmed in some way, the interactions do provide some data points. > > If I were a town vig, he would be on my list of possible targets, though. I disagree as someone he is used to baiting people, albeit badly, but this is not the way to do it. Pushing ideas and getting the town to react is a better way to make people talk. This is not about generating discussion, this is about backtracking from a slip. Now, I’m not going to say whether he is town or scum, seeing as Zeriel did the same thing in the last game. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/63 "2008-11-12T01:23:53Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Also, I am 90% sure that Rapier is KidV from the offsite game board. I wonder if he will be treated differently because people don’t know that. Whoa? Really? I would have never guessed that. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/64 "2008-11-12T01:38:40Z")
Well durnit that was quick. And I was so looking for a long evening. I like the random day end thingie. Also, thinking of set up and its possible complexity I’d sure, as a betting man, be looking at some of the more experienced players and how they will attemp to lead others by the nose. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/65 "2008-11-13T16:43:55Z")
Well JSexton was town, an interesting strategy, no doubt one not often to be repeated. I still feel Rapier and Hal are scum, and as for Nanook, well he has now changed his claim and sounds like he is claiming a guest and was just trying to attract some night time fire. Don’t believe him. So far his role is claimed as one that has a limited life - needs to get at least one person to vote for him every day, had no special power and it appears he was not sure if he could vote for himself or not (why didn’t he do it one day one?) I guess he is probably safe from a scum kill, if he is not scum, as he is providing plenty of distraction to town. Anyone think the sock role is a recruitment role? ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/66 "2008-11-13T17:24:37Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > With this group, if he is, it’s going to get him lynched. Yup. Que sera. > [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > But at the same time, by baiting people, you get to see everyone’s reactions to it. You get people to comment on the record, both the targets and the observors. The more you force scum to go on record, the more you can catch them in contradictions and weaseling later. Also, the baiter himself is on record for the gambit, which will be part of that player’s overall noteable pattern. I can’t say too much, being spoiled, but the way this went down by all involved (the baiter, the baitee, and the other commenters) _is_ interesting. > > Assuming he’s Town, I’m not sure I agree with how he went about this, especially since the risk had no direct payoff, and lying does create noise. But he did troll some reactions, and should those involved in the discussion be confirmed in some way, the interactions do provide some data points. This. A big part of why I did it was to gain reactions that could be important later. I guess the difference in culture here and my usual site is bigger than I thought. There’s no way I would have been lynched for it there, but part of good play is adapting to the other players. I hold myself responsible. I can only help it will help later on. Is there a full on spoiler board somwhere? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/67 "2008-11-13T17:29:02Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Is there a full on spoiler board somwhere? Yeah there is. I don’t know if Hawk is watching this thread or not, but I will have him PM you the address. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/68 "2008-11-13T18:01:58Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Is there a full on spoiler board somwhere? Check your PM inbox. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/69 "2008-11-18T03:06:35Z")
The longer this “who was protecting who” argument goes on, the more certain I get that there were no scum on the block yesterDay. I’m getting heavy flashbacks to M2:Day 2 here. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/70 "2008-11-18T03:55:15Z")
Since I can’t play Mafia right now, (mainly because I keep missing the signups), I’ve adapted an new kind of game for the Dope. Shameless promotion: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10461873&posted=1#post10461873](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10461873&posted=1#post10461873) I’m hoping it will be fun. If you guys can spare a few minutes a day, come join me! ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/71 "2008-11-18T04:00:24Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > The longer this “who was protecting who” argument goes on, the more certain I get that there were no scum on the block yesterDay. I’m getting heavy flashbacks to M2:Day 2 here. Never fails to bring a smile to my face. Best Day ever. I asked this elsewhere, but whatever happened to **Queuing**? He was awesome in that game, and then he just vanished. ---
**Author:** ![mmouse9799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mmouse9799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mmouse9799)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/72 "2008-11-18T04:13:38Z")
I tried to read that game once – I had a job where I had 30 minutes of work a day. I made it to day 3 eventually, but was blown away. I was never able to understand what was going on with that day…even knowing which side some of the players were on. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/73 "2008-11-18T12:49:21Z")
> [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > Since I can’t play Mafia right now, (mainly because I keep missing the signups), I’ve adapted an new kind of game for the Dope. Idle Thoughts’ Super Mario game on the other board is still open for signups, but not for much longer. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/74 "2008-11-18T12:52:51Z")
Sometime when I have gobs of free time (yeah, right) I might have to look at that one. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/75 "2008-11-18T14:51:18Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Never fails to bring a smile to my face. Best Day ever. > > I asked this elsewhere, but whatever happened to **Queuing**? He was awesome in that game, and then he just vanished. He made a comeback in Cult of Sekham, possibly the only game that outmarathoned M2. He survived the whole game, pugnacious to the last, starring in the three-handed faceoff with DarkCookies and Kyrie Eleison. Hasn’t played since. Neither has Kyrie, in fact. I wouldn’t mind seeing them pop up again. Just to remind people : If you aren’t playing and want to [iknow\* rather than guess, ask for spoiler access. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/76 "2008-11-18T17:12:15Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Never fails to bring a smile to my face. Best Day ever. For you, maybe. That was probably my worst ever single-Day performance. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/77 "2008-11-18T17:54:25Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > (Now I will concede sachertorte’s point that in this group is still seems to hold fairly frequently that scum doesn’t do the things that “scum would never do”. But the argument is only good until scum decides to finally do them just to shake things up. And you never know when that will happen, so it’s not good to use it for determining towniness.) I’m not paying attention to the game, but I saw my name so I think I’ll respond. Hoopy Frood, yes, you do know when it becomes a viable scum tactic. It becomes a viable scum tactic after a townie successfully attains “town” status by pointing out behavior that is clearly 1) not helpful to scum and 2) likely to get that person lynched. Only AFTER that happens does scum gain a position to try that gambit. Not before. So far, no townie has ever survived this scrutiny, therefore scum are loathe to try it. I agree that the tactic has a short shelf life, but the stubbornness of these Townies is amazingly resilient. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/78 "2008-11-19T04:12:21Z")
Shameless plug for my game starting soon (on, by sheer coincidence, my own boards): [psychopathgame.proboards106.com](http://psychopathgame.proboards106.com) Just go to the Meta Gaming forum and sign up in the sign up thread if you want to play. It’s a Super Mario-themed one. So far there are about 24 players…most of them members from here (and one or two that aren’t on here but are from other sites). ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/79 "2008-11-23T22:37:24Z")
I need (maybe) two subs. One for sure and a possible second one. [http://psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi](http://psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi) If anyone can spare subbing in, I would be grateful. Cross posted to the SDMB game thread. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457/80 "2008-11-25T15:26:07Z")
Since there’s no way I’m going to be subbing into this with two games already ongoing, may I be spoiled? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-for-hawkeyes-mafia-game/470457.md?page=5)