# Forbidden Thread - Mafia: The Mob is Recruiting **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 22, 2008, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737 "2008-02-22T17:30:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/221 "2008-03-20T19:21:30Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] Actually it does. [/QUOTE] How? Another thing. You seem to be saying that Blaster Master is scum and he’s giving the town excellent advice. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/222 "2008-03-20T19:32:51Z")
Town needs to find the Boss. There is no guarantee that they will fine the Boss today, but there is a finite chance. If they lynch Drain Bead or Blaster Master, then their chance of lynching the Boss is Zero. Lynching from the pool of Boss possibilities both has a chance of lynching the Boss and reduces the pool for Tomorrow. This policy expedites the Boss finding process. Lets say Town lynches Blaster Master and he turns up scum. Then Tomorrow what do they do? Are they any closer to lynching the Boss as they were Today? So then Tomorrow they end up lynching from the pool of possible Boss candidates that is identical as Today’s. They have gained nothing. So what have they lost? Numbers. Presumably, the Boss will recruit again Tonight. Aha! You say. But Town could lynch Town today and be _worse_ off! True. But if you suppose that Town could lynch Town today (from the possibly Boss pool) then you also have to suppose that Town could lynch Town tomorrow (with the same chances). In other words, you are merely shifting back the problem by one Day. And in Shifting back a Day, the Town loses one of its own. (If the Boss fails to recruit, then it would be a net gain for Town, but the chances of that are not so terrific). Of course scum give excellent advice. That’s what they do. If scum only gave anti-town advice, the game would be trivially easy. Blaster Master knows that it is in the best interest for the Town to try and find the Boss. He also knows that if he says otherwise, Pleonast and others who have played with Blaster Master, will know something is up. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/223 "2008-03-20T19:46:26Z")
sinjin brings up the possibility that Pleonast was recruited despite the Priest claim. That I find very interesting. The problem I have is that if that were the case, Pleonast would simply be truthful to Drain Bead and confess his true role. Unless he wants to get the Town to lynch Drain Bead. Hmmm. It’s risky for him though. If he doesn’t play the game with Drain Bead, I’d be inclined to lynch him for being the Boss. It seems to me that the role Drain Bead got from Pleonast is Bishop. She gave everything away by saying his power was used up already (Hal Briston). Sloppy sloppy. I think Drain Bead is talking way too much. She’s giving everything away. She knows that Blaster Master is scum, but why continue to engage him? Why play into his conversation? And why isn’t anyone lynching **Darth Sensitive**! ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/224 "2008-03-20T20:19:32Z")
All right, **Hazel** , admit it: you’ve been reading this thread, haven’t you? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/225 "2008-03-20T20:45:54Z")
Ah yes. Excellent. Apparently **HazelNutCoffee** and I are still well connected. Just a temporary blip. Now I will try and use our mental connection to get **HazelNutCoffee** to start talking about giraffes. And I don’t understand **Pleonast** ; which is actually a Town tell for me. I generally think Pleonast is running on messed up logic when he is Town. Of course he knows things I don’t, but I don’t see how he expects anyone to buy that **Drain Bead** revealing his role first is better. It just doesn’t work that way. Simply by knowing **Pleonast** was lying confirms **Drain Bead**. Oh wait. Forget the giraffes! **HazelNutCoffee** needs to correct **Pleonast’s** messed up logic. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/226 "2008-03-20T21:03:59Z")
Oh and **Pleonast** lied! I don’t see how he feels he can take the high road and say **Drain Bead** should reveal first. He might be right in that he has reasons why he wants to shut up, but he claimed Priest and now he’s claiming not-Priest. The burden is clearly on him. Why does no one see this? Why are they treating **Pleonast** so well and treating \*\*Drain Bead \*\*so poorly? Butts need to be kicked. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/227 "2008-03-20T22:20:36Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] Oh and **Pleonast** lied! I don’t see how he feels he can take the high road and say **Drain Bead** should reveal first. He might be right in that he has reasons why he wants to shut up, but he claimed Priest and now he’s claiming not-Priest. The burden is clearly on him. Why does no one see this? Why are they treating **Pleonast** so well and treating \*\*Drain Bead \*\*so poorly? Butts need to be kicked. [/QUOTE] I think at this point they feel like Pleo generally knows what he is doing, and plays a bit weird. He has been getting all kinds of slack cut for him this game…and I think most of it is because of You-Solve-It. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/228 "2008-03-21T14:19:55Z")
This is just getting painful to watch. At least **HazelNutCoffee** is staying sharp. **Menocchio** seems to get it too, though his vote for **Pleonast** is only peripherally helpful. The thing that bothers me the most is why **Pleonast** insists on **Drain Bead** “going first.” It just doesn’t make sense and he should know better. Even if he has secret information that justifies staying quiet; his posture is downright selfish. He knows Drain Bead caught him; he should be helping her, not hindering her. Though, if you look at his actions, he is tacitly supporting Drain Bead in Drain Bead versus Blaster Master. The only possible reason I can think of that might justify Pleonast’s stance is if he gets a penalty for truthfully role-claiming. And now that I think about it more, I’m convinced that Pleonast is not the Boss and is pro-town. Messy circumstance, but if you think about all the actions and motivations and what scum would do in the same situation, it’s pretty clear that Drain Bead and Pleonast are Town and Blaster Master is scum. Also, the Townies that are considering that **Pleonast** might still be a Priest need to think a little harder. If Pleonast really is a Priest, he’s doing a terrible job of it; and I’d be absolutely shocked. While lynching **Blaster Master** is the wrong move, it might help the Town by removing him as a distraction. The confused townies are willing to listen to him! ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/229 "2008-03-21T14:36:20Z")
Okay, I take that back. Pleonast has made himself clearer in his last post. By explicitly stating that he has additional information that will confirm himself he has made a promise that he will need to keep to stay alive. If Drain Bead reveals first (I still think DB is confirmed so I don’t know why Pleonast wants all this weirdness - but hey, no need to rock the boat now is there?), and then Pleonast will predictably say “Yup!” If that’s all Pleonast does, then town will have every right to lynch him. But if he can produce his magic bag, then all can be forgiven! It is the promise that is important and Pleonast needs to emphasize it more: “I promise my reveal will be satisfactory, if it is not you are justified in lynching me” No need to talk about Drain Bead or suspicion on Drain Bead or anything else. Focus! ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/230 "2008-03-21T17:35:43Z")
[QUOTE=Drain Bead] From what I know of Pleonast’s role and of the rules, I do not think it would be confirmable by an outside source. [/QUOTE] What does that matter, lynch him if there isn’t! God Dammit Drain! ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/231 "2008-03-21T17:39:31Z")
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] Well, he did say _he had a piece of information you did not_. If it’s unsatisfactory, we’ll fucking lynch him somewhere along the way. [/QUOTE] I am starting to understand this thing you have for Hazel, sach. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/232 "2008-03-21T19:35:22Z")
Oooof. It looks like I need to shut down my Town anger. My bitchiness is transferring to **HazelNutCoffee**. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/233 "2008-03-21T19:59:41Z")
I’m starting to feel like I’m glad I got vigged when I did. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/234 "2008-03-21T20:39:17Z")
If this keeps up the mods are going to start to suspect that **Hazel** is a sock-puppet for you, **sachertorte**. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/235 "2008-03-21T21:12:02Z")
[QUOTE=Rysto] If this keeps up the mods are going to start to suspect that **Hazel** is a sock-puppet for you, **sachertorte**. 😉 [/QUOTE] That would make for a funny re-read of The Conspiracy and YSI. **Pleonast** just isn’t making sense at all. Why would a recruited **Drain Bead** reveal the incorrect role? **Drain Bead** is clearly capable of revealing **Pleonast’s** true role regardless if whether she’s been recruited or not. **HazelNutCoffee** , please hit him with a clue-by-four. If Pleonast keeps this up, the conclusion will be Pleonast == Boss, which is rapidly becoming the only explanation for his intransigence. The weird thing is, I don’t think this is the case. Pleonast is just running on faulty logic. If I were in the game I’d lay it out for Pleonast. Affirm that Drain Bead is clearly capable of revealing his role correctly whether she’s been recruited or not, so making her go first tells us NOTHING about her current status. Furthermore, even if it did, that status goes out the window at Dusk. Then I’d say, that I would lynch Pleonast if his “additional information” failed to meet two critical standards: 1. confirm his role 2. demonstrate why he wanted Drain Bead to reveal first Failure on either of these two points would earn my vote to lynch as I would conclude that Pleonast is the Boss. Okay, **HazelNutCoffee** … go! ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/236 "2008-03-21T21:40:48Z")
YSI would all of a sudden make a lot more sense: it wasn’t that **Hazel** forgot about the game, it was that you forgot to log in and post as her as well as yourself. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2008, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/237 "2008-03-22T11:38:09Z")
Does anyone have any ideas as to what Pleonast’s “extra information” might be? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2008, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/238 "2008-03-22T19:16:55Z")
Just now catching up - damn the game has picked up the pace! I can’t believe Pleonast’s “confirming” information is a stupid breadcrumb he left a couple Days ago. :smack: \*That’s \*what you were holding out for?!?! All that said, I’m starting to see what you guys are seeing about **Darth Sensitive** , not necessarily because of what he is posting (which is little), but because of what seem to be happening around him (as \*\*sach \*\*has already nicely summed up above). And the Town, despite some inevitable flailing around with an investigated target sitting out there ripe for the plucking, are not letting him off the hook entirely. I actually don’t think it’s going too badly for Town Today, appearances notwithstanding. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2008, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/239 "2008-03-22T21:08:10Z")
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] Please, **Pleonast**. Help me understand. How does **Drain Bead** ’s knowledge of you confirm that she is Town? Here’s the answer. IT DOESN’T. It is perfectly possible for her to know your role and still be scum. She could have been recruited after she investigated you; she could have been recruited as Capo and investigated you. The fact that she knew you were lying proves nothing more than her role as Detective. Please let me know if I am overlooking something, because as hard as I try I cannot think of a scenario where **Drain Bead** ’s knowledge of your role confirms her to be Town. [/QUOTE] See, I don’t need to play in this game. **HazelNutCoffee** plays it for me. WTF! That’s it? Pleonast needs to die! That’s his “extra” information. Total suckage. Absolutely no reason for Pleonast to hold out. Odds of his being the Boss go up in my opinion. The weird thing is, I still think Pleonast is Town. If he were the Boss, he would have caved and claimed Bishop earlier. I was certain Drain Bead got the role of Bishop. She telegraphed that tidbit PAGES AND PAGES ago. I’m sure if Pleonast was the Boss, he would have picked up on that obviousness too and would have taken the out. Can we get back to lynching **Darth Sensitive**? And lynch all the people saying Darth Sensitive lynch doesn’t make sense. I’m ruthless that way. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/240 "2008-03-24T15:18:33Z")
**Hawkeyeop** is rightly garnering some suspicion here with his argument with **Drain Bead**. He actually reads to me as a Townie who thought he found something out but doesn’t have his facts straight, but he better be careful. **Drain** is looking very Town right now, so the more he (badly) argues with her, the scummier he will look. (The lack of **Darth** on his list is also fairly suspicious.) Not enough backlash on **Pleo** for that stupid breadcrumb “confirmation.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737.md?page=13)