# Forbidden Thread - Mafia: The Mob is Recruiting **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 22, 2008, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737 "2008-02-22T17:30:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/261 "2008-03-25T17:54:51Z")
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts] Now, now, we don’t know the result yet. [/QUOTE] I feel bad for my **HazelNutCoffee**. > [@](#): > > My count shows a tie b/w **Blaster** and **Darth** , so there is a 50/50 chance of **Darth** dying and therefore no more recruitment. Really? I hadn’t been counting. I was judging based on fluiddruid’s counts which were noted to be flawed, but even with the flaws Blaster Master was dying. Blaster Master’s vote shift was pretty significant. > [@](#): > > And even if **Blaster** goes, there is a chance **Hazel** is a mason, Priest (unlikely, I admit), or could be protected by the Doctor. (I actually think she has an investigative role, Beat Cop or Police Chief). I really hope she doesn’t get recruited. She deserves the win for this one. I hadn’t thought about her being an investigative role. I doubt she would be so vociferous if she was a Cop or Chief. Possible, but I think she’s vanilla or mason. Her aggressiveness seems most fitting to those roles. Masons can be crazy aggressive since their role is confirmable. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/262 "2008-03-25T18:12:00Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] Really? I hadn’t been counting. I was judging based on fluiddruid’s counts which were noted to be flawed, but even with the flaws Blaster Master was dying. Blaster Master’s vote shift was pretty significant. [/QUOTE] Well, I’m not 100% sure, but I think it was 10-8 against **Darth** when **Blaster** switched at the last minute, making it 9-9. [QUOTE=sachertorte] I really hope she doesn’t get recruited. She deserves the win for this one. I hadn’t thought about her being an investigative role. I doubt she would be so vociferous if she was a Cop or Chief. Possible, but I think she’s vanilla or mason. Her aggressiveness seems most fitting to those roles. Masons can be crazy aggressive since their role is confirmable. [/QUOTE] She has played extremely well and definitely deserves a win. If she does get recruited, though, think how much Townie cred she’ll have 😃 You’re probably right about Mason, upon reconsideration - I was thinking since there were multiple Beat Cops + maybe a Chief, if she were a BC she might not be shy about playing hard, but Mason makes more sense. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/263 "2008-03-25T18:27:50Z")
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts] Well, I’m not 100% sure, but I think it was 10-8 against **Darth** when **Blaster** switched at the last minute, making it 9-9. [/QUOTE] **fluiddruid** has confirmed the tie! Die **Darth Sensitive** Die! **HazelNutCoffee** must prevail! ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/264 "2008-03-25T18:43:30Z")
Yay! ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/265 "2008-03-25T18:51:28Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] Yay! [/QUOTE] All right - go Town! And here is where **Blaster** ’s gambit failed big time. IF he had left his vote on **Darth** and not forced the tie, he could have argued vehemently Tomorrow that **Darth** coming up Boss is good evidence of his Towniness. It’s a thin plank, admittedly, but one that could have possibly worked and at least distracted the Town. Now he’s got no credibility at all and no one is going to listen to him (and they’ll probably lynch him quickly). ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/266 "2008-03-25T19:10:23Z")
Town was more lucky than right. Though Town was in a tougher position since presumably all the scum were voting for Blaster Master. Quite frankly this game is all but over now. They need to lynch and investigate all the Blaster Master Voters. That should pretty much tie it up for the Town. There’s what 18 players left? 17 at Dawn? and only 3 scum (1 of whom is already identified)? Plus all the powerroles? This should be an easy win for the Town. 1. Mass Roleclaim 2. Identify very nearly confirmed Town (my short list is HNC and Drain Bead). 3. Identify nearly confirmed Town (Darth Sensitive Voters) 4. Identify Masons 5. Kill Blaster Master 6. Investigate unknowns (Blaster Master voters -minus Drain Bead +plus Hawkeyeop) 7. Kill an unknown or IDed scum (preferably MHaye). repeat until WIN I don’t think it’s plausible for scum to win. The numbers are very much against them. Even if they throw out all the information they gathered thus far, a fresh game (Phase Two) with 2 scum and 15 players, wildly favors Town. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/267 "2008-03-25T20:03:19Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] I don’t think it’s plausible for scum to win. The numbers are very much against them. Even if they throw out all the information they gathered thus far, a fresh game (Phase Two) with 2 scum and 15 players, wildly favors Town. [/QUOTE] Yep, you pretty much nailed it, which is why **Blaster’s** gambit was too risky. IF he was still in play, scum might have a slim, slim chance, depending on how much obfuscation he could dish out. As it is, it would take a complete miracle for scum to win at this point. Also, **Darth** not recruiting on Night One turns out to have been a huge error. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/268 "2008-03-25T20:15:53Z")
That it did. Seemed harmless at the time, but… It was dang hard to stay out of here, I got used to reading the the “not playing” threads when I wasn’t playing. Did I _really_ look that scummy from outside the game? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/269 "2008-03-25T20:21:20Z")
[QUOTE=Darth Sensitive] That it did. Seemed harmless at the time, but… It was dang hard to stay out of here, I got used to reading the the “not playing” threads when I wasn’t playing. Did I _really_ look that scummy from outside the game? [/QUOTE] Well you didn’t look scummy enough that everyone watching pinged you. But check my post a couple of pages back that I put together right after I was lynched. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/270 "2008-03-25T20:24:16Z")
[QUOTE=Darth Sensitive] That it did. Seemed harmless at the time, but… It was dang hard to stay out of here, I got used to reading the the “not playing” threads when I wasn’t playing. Did I _really_ look that scummy from outside the game? [/QUOTE] To be honest, I didn’t catch on until **sach** and **NAF** spelled it out for me. Once I looked at what was happening _with that assumption in mind_, it became fairly clear (or as clear as it can get in Mafia). ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/271 "2008-03-25T20:30:09Z")
[QUOTE=Darth Sensitive] Did I _really_ look that scummy from outside the game? [/QUOTE] Yes 😛 Well, not entirely at first. I was onboard **HazelNutCoffee’s** lynch the uncontroversial players (“clean nosers” as I like to call them) That included you, **chrisk** , **Hawkeyeop** , and **OneCentStamp**. Your Night slip just focused the attention onto you. Then **Blaster Master’s** vote for **NAF** instead of you made us more sure, and pretty much confirmed it. Blaster Master voting for NAF was pretty clearly in violation of his own “much lynch Boss” principles. While a case could have been made that NAF was recruited; he clearly was not the Boss. The only plausible explanation for Blaster Master’s actions was that you were the Boss. Add to that that we had expected Blaster Master to be recruited, and a shift in Blaster Master’s gameplay and voila. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/272 "2008-03-25T20:32:31Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] Yes 😛 Well, not entirely at first. I was onboard **HazelNutCoffee’s** lynch the uncontroversial players (“clean nosers” as I like to call them) That included you, **chrisk** , **Hawkeyeop** , and **OneCentStamp**. Your Night slip just focused the attention onto you. Then **Blaster Master’s** vote for **NAF** instead of you made us more sure, and pretty much confirmed it. Blaster Master voting for NAF was pretty clearly in violation of his own “much lynch Boss” principles. While a case could have been made that NAF was recruited; he clearly was not the Boss. The only plausible explanation for Blaster Master’s actions was that you were the Boss. Add to that that we had expected Blaster Master to be recruited, and a shift in Blaster Master’s gameplay and voila. [/QUOTE] It’s a team game, and you are only as good as your team. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/273 "2008-03-25T20:59:39Z")
You could say my team is only as good as me. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/274 "2008-03-25T22:06:20Z")
Dude, I can totally post here now. Off to read the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/275 "2008-03-25T22:15:55Z")
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] Dude, I can totally post here now. Off to read the thread. [/QUOTE] Oh yeah, like we’re going to believe that you haven’t been reading this thread the whole freakin’ time. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/276 "2008-03-25T22:33:37Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] What really pissed me off were the LARGE number of people who voted for me with no reason at all. And still no one would put together a case against me. No one ever did. They said they did, but none existed, just a bunch of “NAF sure is scummy” votes. [/QUOTE] When I was re-reading the Day that lead to your lynch, I was somewhat baffled because **BlasterM** didn’t really have to do anything. People were just like, “Eh, he seems scummy enough.” Again, it reminded me of when I got **Dio** lynched in the YSI game - I did not mean to get him lynched at all, but somehow it ended up being a bandwagon. Town is so unpredictable sometimes. I’m wondering what **BlaM** thinks? > [@ShadowFacts](#): > > I was just thinking along these lines. I think BlaM’s play here of repeatedly suggesting Millit and Darth together as Boss candidates is clever, assuming he is recruited scum and Darth is the Boss. Let me see if I can explain this clearly: He doesn’t want to focus too much on Darth, because when he (BlaM) is revealed as scum, everyone is going to look back at his posts with ScumGoggles. If he goes after Darth too hard, everyone will think: “BlaM was being tricky experienced scum and going after Darth so that we would then dismiss the case against Darth when BlaM turns up scum.” I was thinking the exact same thing. Near the end **BlaM** posted something about looking back at the case he made against **Darth** after he was lynched, and I looked back and . . . there was no case. Every time **BlaM** mentioned **Darth** he did it in the same breath with **Millit**. **Hal** deserves a lot of credit for catching that slip. If it hadn’t been for that I probably would have resumed my crusade against **OneCent**. Too bad for **Darth** that I’d made the EXACT SAME MISTAKE the first time I played as scum, hah. To be honest, though, **Darth** , when I was reading over your Day 1 posts I had my doubts as to whether you were the Boss or not. One comment in particular - where you suggested the Detective use their “how many scum” ability after a few Days - threw me for a loop. It didn’t seem like something scum would say at all. It was concentrating on the last two Days that convinced me you were the Boss. _Especially_ that post I quoted in my final case against you, where **BlaM** gives you an array of options to answer to while trying to look like he’s interrogating you. It just seemed way too gentle to me. **sachertorte** , thanks for the help. 😛 I knew there was a reason I kept wanting to post about giraffes!! I was scum in my last two games, which really gave me some perspective on gameplay in general. Although even to the end, I wasn’t 100% sure about **Darth**. If he turned out to be town I was fully prepared to be lynched the next Day - although I was readying the defense that I was a Mason and therefore could not be the Boss. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/277 "2008-03-25T22:34:59Z")
[QUOTE=Rysto] Oh yeah, like we’re going to believe that you haven’t been reading this thread the whole freakin’ time. 😃 [/QUOTE] Seriously, dude, I think I must’ve accidentally read it in my sleep. Either that or I have an alternative personality that likes chocolate cake. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737/278 "2008-03-25T23:00:30Z")
I think I posted this in the game, but it was a mostly honest assessment of the **NAF** lynching. One of the things I like to do to get reads on people is drill the hell out of them. This is why I really stuck it to **hotflungwok** , and I didn’t get the read on him as the Vig until after I was reasonably convinced he was town. When I turned my attention to **NAF** , I had to drill him harder because he has more experience, but I was actually reasonably convinced he was town, and would have voted elsewhere, but I didn’t agree with the other options, and so I was ready to let it go…and then I was recruited. Entering the next Day, I figured I’d established something I could use to chew up a lot of the Day and ultimately get him lynched. What I was trying to do was play the confirmation bias “absolutely sure” that he’s scum, so I sort of put up a filter when reading his posts that I KNEW he was scum, and was trying to find every little thing I could to make him look bad. I thought if I’d poked it and kind of let it sizzle, FOA, it’d be a lot easier to blame me for starting the wagon. I fully expected I’d blow my credibility and possibly get lynched the next day, and I figured that keeping any real analysis of **Darth Sensitive** drowned out would be nice, plus, I could actually use my blown credibility to my advantage in the future… maybe. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-the-mob-is-recruiting/438737.md?page=13)