# Forbidden Thread: Mafia V **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 26, 2007, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509 "2007-06-26T19:02:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/241 "2007-08-14T03:44:59Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] IMO, it’s looking like the game is going to come down to the play of the Apprentice Today and the next Day or two. If he can manage to stay alive and get at least one more reading, I think he’ll make a HUGE swing in the town’s favor. Even if he doesn’t claim today, I have to say, I think his game has been pretty darn good over the last few Days. It’s going to be really interesting. [/QUOTE] I am crossing my fingers. Now that I know the identity of most of the players (a little bird told me, heh) it’s quite frustrating to watch how the scum have been jerking the town around, but it looks like that some of the townies seem to be on the right track toDay. Here’s hoping the town manages to turn the game sometime soon. :: lights candle to Nairu :: ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/242 "2007-08-14T08:23:23Z")
[QUOTE=Kat] Because you’re going to plan all future vacations, business trips, illnesses and any other absences around Mafia game schedules? [/QUOTE] Something sorta kinda like that, or something. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/243 "2007-08-14T12:56:59Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] IMO, it’s looking like the game is going to come down to the play of the Apprentice Today and the next Day or two. If he can manage to stay alive and get at least one more reading, I think he’ll make a HUGE swing in the town’s favor. Even if he doesn’t claim today, I have to say, I think his game has been pretty darn good over the last few Days. It’s going to be really interesting. [/QUOTE] If, as you seem to be alluding here, the Apprentice has useful information to share, (s)he is absolutely _crazy_ not to claim and spill it all toDay. The scum has been nailing power roles so easily in this game; the Apprentice could easily die toNight with whatever good work (s)he’s done completely wasted. Claiming toDay guarantees the Apprentice one more Night at minimum - the Disciple protects him/her toNight, or at least threatens to, and he/she gets one more bit of info to share. Every once in a while, I start to think that townies place a little _too much_ value on hiding the identity of power roles. The Hispaniola game showed that even when the town power roles are outed early, they can swing the game in spite of - or, in some respects, even _because_ - their identities are known to all. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/244 "2007-08-14T13:05:34Z")
True dat. Mind you, Captain Steele and Doctor Livesey played the most amazingly successful game of chicken with the pirates - every time one of them was left unprotected, the pirates tried to hit someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/245 "2007-08-14T13:44:49Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] If, as you seem to be alluding here, the Apprentice has useful information to share, (s)he is absolutely _crazy_ not to claim and spill it all toDay. The scum has been nailing power roles so easily in this game; the Apprentice could easily die toNight with whatever good work (s)he’s done completely wasted. Claiming toDay guarantees the Apprentice one more Night at minimum - the Disciple protects him/her toNight, or at least threatens to, and he/she gets one more bit of info to share. Every once in a while, I start to think that townies place a little _too much_ value on hiding the identity of power roles. The Hispaniola game showed that even when the town power roles are outed early, they can swing the game in spite of - or, in some respects, even _because_ - their identities are known to all. [/QUOTE] If I were playing the Apprentice, I probably would have outted myself a Day or Two ago. I think he’s been playing a very ballsy game and it’s worked out well so far. Either way, I strongly he’ll decide to step forward today. Although, now might be an opportune time for scum to counterclaim and possibly get the protection instead of the real Apprentice, allowing the scum to target whoever either counter-claims or doesn’t quite seem to believe the claim or simply their best guess. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/246 "2007-08-14T16:41:51Z")
I have to say, **MHaye** did play a pretty ballsy game. His timing is perfect, I think - it would have been too risky to wait another day. Hopefully it’ll be enough to turn the game around. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/247 "2007-08-14T16:51:00Z")
Thank God…I was beginning to pull my hair out waiting for him to claim. If he didn’t do it today, I was notseriously contemplating outing him for the town’s own good. _My_ power being wasted was one thing…_both_ our powers being wasted would’ve been too, too much. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/248 "2007-08-14T17:01:29Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] Thank God…I was beginning to pull my hair out waiting for him to claim. If he didn’t do it today, I was notseriously contemplating outing him for the town’s own good. _My_ power being wasted was one thing…_both_ our powers being wasted would’ve been too, too much. [/QUOTE] How did you know he was the Apprentice? I thought the Apprentice knew who the Oracle was but not the other way around. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/249 "2007-08-14T17:03:49Z")
Incidentally, I am amused that I was investigated by both of you. Must’ve been annoying to discover I was a vanilla townie. Heh. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/250 "2007-08-14T17:10:05Z")
So now it gets interesting. Lynching **DiggitCamara** seems like the only logical play for the town at this point. A lot will hinge on whether or not the Disciple still has access to the guaranteed protect power. If she does, and uses it tonight, then the Apprentice will be 100% _un_protected the following night. Part of me thinks the town’s best chance would be for the Disciple to roll the dice and protect **MHaye** straight up tonight, while vaguely alluding that he will be using the guaranteed protect. If the scum bought it, and killed neither the Disciple nor the Apprentice, it would buy _two_ more investigations from the Apprentice - if the latter focuses on just the unknowns, all the Cultists but the Prophet could wind up uncovered. I kind of wonder whether the remaining Monks should claim at this point, too, just to narrow the list of possible suspects. It might be worth it - there’s not much left for them to accomplish beyond that, I don’t think. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/251 "2007-08-14T17:19:02Z")
**Blaster Master** - You can decline to answer this question if you think it gives away too much info for this thread, but: It would seem to me that, given **Pleonast’s** claim and the implications of the name of the role he has claimed, he is very unlikely to be night killed by the Cult, possibly ever. It would further seem that the town has accepted him as a mostly confirmed townie, and is unlikely to lynch him during the Day. Given this, whatever **Pleonast’s** powers actually are, have they now become essentially valueless, or is there some way they could still be activated? ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/252 "2007-08-14T17:23:01Z")
I was wondering what would happen if the Disciple bluffed and said she was going to use the protect-two skill toNight, while instead protecting only the Apprentice. Presumably the Cult would target someone else if they thought their kill would be wasted on the Apprentice or the Disciple. Then the next night the Cult would try to kill the Apprentice, thinking he’d be unprotected, but the Disciple would still be protecting him. It’s a gamble though, since there is a chance that the Cult could call the bluff. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/253 "2007-08-14T17:35:12Z")
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] How did you know he was the Apprentice? I thought the Apprentice knew who the Oracle was but not the other way around. [/QUOTE] I used my super-secret unlisted power: After I died, I PM’d **BM** and asked him. [QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] Incidentally, I am amused that I was investigated by both of you. Must’ve been annoying to discover I was a vanilla townie. Heh. [/QUOTE] Yes, very much so. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/254 "2007-08-14T17:39:39Z")
Y’know, if **Diggit** is scum, he should counterclaim Apprentice. He has absolutely nothing to lose, because unless he does, he’s getting lynched. At absolute _worst_ he gets lynched anyway, but throws up a bunch of extra smoke on the way down. At best, he gets the town to lynch their Apprentice. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/255 "2007-08-14T17:43:50Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] **Blaster Master** - You can decline to answer this question if you think it gives away too much info for this thread, but: It would seem to me that, given **Pleonast’s** claim and the implications of the name of the role he has claimed, he is very unlikely to be night killed by the Cult, possibly ever. It would further seem that the town has accepted him as a mostly confirmed townie, and is unlikely to lynch him during the Day. Given this, whatever **Pleonast’s** powers actually are, have they now become essentially valueless, or is there some way they could still be activated? [/QUOTE] The secret role still has a power that is perfectly suited to this situation. If anyone wants a less veiled answer than that, I can PM you a confirmation of the secret role and his powers. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/256 "2007-08-14T17:46:11Z")
Oh, and, I have to say, Today is pretty darn exciting, there’s SO many different ways this can go. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/257 "2007-08-14T17:46:51Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] I used my super-secret unlisted power: [/QUOTE] Dude, you so should have done that BEFORE you died. 😉 Gah, I want the secret role to do something exciting! :: fidgets in seat :: ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/258 "2007-08-14T18:29:54Z")
Interesting play by **Diggit** in his last post. Hmm. This game is going to turn on decisions made by the power roles in the next 48 hours or so, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/259 "2007-08-14T19:22:10Z")
ARGH. I wish we could speak freely in this thread. :: chokes self :: The whole non-believer read on scum is pretty frustrating. **Blaster Master** , you might as well admit it - you enjoy watching people suffer, don’t you? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/260 "2007-08-14T19:38:29Z")
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] ARGH. I wish we could speak freely in this thread. :: chokes self :: The whole non-believer read on scum is pretty frustrating. **Blaster Master** , you might as well admit it - you enjoy watching people suffer, don’t you? 🙂 [/QUOTE] See, I know some things. So everything that’s happening right now is exceedingly interesting. Without giving too much away, there is one pro-town play that would give the town a guarantee of getting two more investigations out of **mhaye** - iron clad and absolute. But I don’t think they’re going to recognize it for what it is. This is because they have internalized lessons from previous games to too significant a degree - they are playing their cards so close to the vest that they can’t coordinate their actions. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509.md?page=14)