# Forbidden Thread: Mafia V **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 26, 2007, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509 "2007-06-26T19:02:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2007, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/321 "2007-08-20T19:48:39Z")
Best indicator of scenario 1: no counterclaim. I’d love someone to bring up the idea of trying to ferret out the prophet since the cult wouldn’t risk them on this monk play. Just, y’know, to see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2007, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/322 "2007-08-20T19:49:54Z")
I’m also seeing some people pushing a TAD too hard–if Idle is scum, their whole play is gonna fall apart around them, I bet. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2007, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/323 "2007-08-20T20:29:09Z")
[QUOTE=Zeriel] I’m also seeing some people pushing a TAD too hard–if Idle is scum, their whole play is gonna fall apart around them, I bet. [/QUOTE] I’ll say. One player, in particular, seems to be reaching a bit too hard for a reason, however flimsy, to vote in a certain way. If **Idle** is revealed, I think that’s going to look a bit more obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2007, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/324 "2007-08-20T20:44:13Z")
Wow! This is going to be a lot of fun to Tonight! ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2007, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/325 "2007-08-20T22:31:19Z")
Matter of fact, I see only one likely scum who’s playing this properly cool enough. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2007, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/326 "2007-08-20T22:33:37Z")
aand, I have to laugh at zuma patting the scum on the backs. That stuff is priceless. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2007, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/327 "2007-08-20T22:54:04Z")
[QUOTE=Zeriel] Also, Idle’s constant flipping his shit is arguably the most entertaining portion of the game thus far, regardless of what side he’s on. [/QUOTE] If I were a girl, I’d _so_ try and date him. I’d play it cool for a couple of weeks, and then tell him that one of my friends saw him picking up another girl at a club, and that we were over because he’s such a cheater. Then I’d pull out an umbrella so I wouldn’t get pieces of his exploding head all over me. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2007, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/328 "2007-08-20T23:00:55Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] If I were a girl, I’d _so_ try and date him. I’d play it cool for a couple of weeks, and then tell him that one of my friends saw him picking up another girl at a club, and that we were over because he’s such a cheater. Then I’d pull out an umbrella so I wouldn’t get pieces of his exploding head all over me. [/QUOTE] That made me laugh. But, alas, he seems to have stopped his exploding bit. But seriously, wouldn’t **zuma** ’s best strategy have been to fade into the background? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2007, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/329 "2007-08-20T23:47:51Z")
Keeps getting more interesting and more interesting. I just hope town realizes that Idle and Zuma’s entire rationale is based on “look at what happened in this unrelated game!” before sach accidentally sticks his foot in his mouth again. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2007, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/330 "2007-08-21T13:44:57Z")
Shit, **Queuing** ’s got the scum approach pretty much figured out. They want to make sure they manage a recruitment. False claim and either you die or a townie dies - and if it’s the latter, hey, bonus! - but the Prophet does not, and that’s what you want. Then, tonight, you recruit. I can’t believe how little people are paying attention to **Queuing**. If this Day goes sour, he’s going to go apeshit when he finally learns that he was right all along. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2007, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/331 "2007-08-21T13:56:03Z")
Here’s what gets me… for the arguments that MHaye was recruited… why are they ignoring the possibility that MHaye may have been scum all along, they recruited someone else, who was the Apprentice, which would then allow any of them to claim Apprentice if needed? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2007, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/332 "2007-08-21T14:26:05Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] Here’s what gets me… for the arguments that MHaye was recruited… why are they ignoring the possibility that MHaye may have been scum all along, they recruited someone else, who was the Apprentice, which would then allow any of them to claim Apprentice if needed? [/QUOTE] Hey, wow, that’s a neat idea. Hey, since you’ve probably heard from **Pleonast** on a regular basis, can you explain to me what benefit he sees to withholding information on his powers? He claims it would help the Cult more than the Town, but I don’t understand that statement - if he explained exactly what he can do, he could coordinate with other power roles (as we’ve discussed). I can’t see a single advantage it would give the Cult. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2007, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/333 "2007-08-21T14:27:03Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] Here’s what gets me… for the arguments that MHaye was recruited… why are they ignoring the possibility that MHaye may have been scum all along, they recruited someone else, who was the Apprentice, which would then allow any of them to claim Apprentice if needed? [/QUOTE] This possibility seems functionally identical to him being a converted Apprentice. If this is the case, the town lynches him, finds out he’s normal scum, then REALLY freaks out. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2007, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/334 "2007-08-21T14:59:25Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] Hey, wow, that’s a neat idea. Hey, since you’ve probably heard from **Pleonast** on a regular basis, can you explain to me what benefit he sees to withholding information on his powers? He claims it would help the Cult more than the Town, but I don’t understand that statement - if he explained exactly what he can do, he could coordinate with other power roles (as we’ve discussed). I can’t see a single advantage it would give the Cult. [/QUOTE] Well, without openly giving any information away, I think since MHaye claimed apprentice, he’s been making the correct choice, given the information available to him. You have to also consider the town has a general idea of what his role may be, thanks to the link that Sachetorte gave. It also seems to me, from actions in thread, that the Disciple believes that is his power and is making decisions based on that belief. IMO, there is specific information that he has that could actually result in a townie kill versus a cult kill, if they have that information. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2007, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/335 "2007-08-21T15:04:23Z")
[QUOTE=Scuba\_Ben] This possibility seems functionally identical to him being a converted Apprentice. If this is the case, the town lynches him, finds out he’s normal scum, then REALLY freaks out. [/QUOTE] It’s functionally equivalent, but provides a huge amount of flexibility for role-claiming. I’m just really surprised that hasn’t come to people like Queuing or Idle or FCoD or Zuma. Without giving away the alignments of the true monks, I have to say, if the cult pulls this off, I’ll be DAMN impressed, because it’s a ballsy move. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2007, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/336 "2007-08-21T15:15:08Z")
I’m surprised no one has floated the possibility that there are _two_ sets of monks. After all, the description says “They know who other monks are”, not “They know who _all_ other monks are”. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2007, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/337 "2007-08-21T16:55:00Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] I’m surprised no one has floated the possibility that there are _two_ sets of monks. After all, the description says “They know who other monks are”, not “They know who _all_ other monks are”. [/QUOTE] Haha… that would’ve been just evil of me, wouldn’t it? That would make the role overall a negative for the town, because a claim would be met with “No you’re not, I am!” So they lynch one, find out he’s a monk, lynch the other, then find out he’s a monk, then go “WTF!?” ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2007, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/338 "2007-08-21T18:49:42Z")
Looks to me like **sach** just took **Idle** behind the rhetorical woodshed. Also, I see now that Idle has given up the king ranter crown we have a new contender to the throne in NAF. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2007, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/339 "2007-08-21T18:59:20Z")
WOW, tempers are flaring. I wonder what the hell is going on? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2007, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/340 "2007-08-21T19:47:12Z")
I do believe that **Idle** is laying down his metaphorical sword. Damn well played, too - he gets exactly what he wants. No one chases the prophet, because this argument distracted them from doing so. No one is buying **Queuing** ’s really smart approach. Recruitment coming up tonight. Although. **hockey monkey** , at least, knows **hockey monkey** is telling the truth. Seems like she should use her sleeping potion on **kyrie** again tonight, just to see, yes? This is so freaking interesting. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509.md?page=18)