# Forbidden Thread: Mafia V **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 26, 2007, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509 "2007-06-26T19:02:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2007, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/421 "2007-08-29T21:52:03Z")
Pull up a chair, **CatinaSuit** , and watch what’s likely to be the end game play. I hope the discussions get very interesting over the next day or so. ---
**Author:** ![dotchan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@dotchan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dotchan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2007, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/422 "2007-08-29T21:58:26Z")
Incidentally, BLaM has gotten lynched in the other game, that lying scumbag Psycho, so he can no longer use that as his excuse. 😃 _throws confetti for Asylum Lane_ ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2007, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/423 "2007-08-29T22:21:43Z")
Heh, hooo boy is this game getting interesting. Both BM’s and mine, actually, seem to have potential to go down to the very end. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2007, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/424 "2007-08-29T22:21:55Z")
What is this bizarre, almost religious, aversion to “meta-gaming”? To me, meta-gaming is stuff like I’ll vote for the third person to post or things like that. I tried to start a discussion about ArizonaTeach and why he left, and was shot down because it was ‘meta-gaming’ (which I still think it wasn’t). I don’t think what USCDiver describes is meta-gaming at all. FCOD made a statement inconsistent with someone assigned the role of Citizen. Nothing meta- about it. dunk FCOD! dunk NAF! ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2007, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/425 "2007-08-29T22:34:35Z")
Do you think MHaye and the town will piece together that non-avatar readings on Queuing and Kyrie are tantamount to “believer” readings at this time? My thinking is there is only the Prophet, Avatar and recruit left (Initial conditions of 5 scum to 25 town). I don’t think there is a regular cultist left. I’m so hoping MHaye investigated NAF last night. If he investigated Queuing or Kyrie I’ll scream. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2007, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/426 "2007-08-29T22:43:22Z")
**FCoD** could be a non-believer. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2007, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/427 "2007-08-29T22:45:03Z")
[QUOTE=Mtgman] **FCoD** could be a non-believer. Enjoy, Steven [/QUOTE] He couldn’t be, because he was investigated as a Believer. …unless **MHaye** was lying. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2007, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/428 "2007-08-29T22:49:39Z")
Hell, **FCOD** could be anything. I still don’t think **MHaye** is the Apprentice. 😛 But IF he really is then I don’t see how **FCOD** could be a vanilla non-believer. After the Oracle dies, the Apprentice doesn’t have any chance of being wrong anymore, just at getting no read (or getting blocked, heh heh). IF **MHaye** IS the Apprentice (and I don’t think he is for reasons I’ll not divulge right now), he’s already said **FCoD** reads “Believer” (this being an investigation he made AFTER **Hal** died). ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2007, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/429 "2007-08-29T22:54:41Z")
Yeah, I guess it could be that too (that **BM** just said). I guess **MHaye** COULD be the Apprentice but just be lying. No idea why he would be, though. I dunno, I just have a hard time believing he’s it at all. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2007, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/430 "2007-08-29T22:55:48Z")
_whistles innocently_ ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2007, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/431 "2007-08-29T23:26:06Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] I don’t think the town would assume no recruit had occurred. They would consider the possibility, but they would not outright assume no recruit had occurred. (snip) [/QUOTE] We’ll see, won’t we? Honestly? I believe it already has happened. And I doubt it will easy to find out who’s been recruited. My guess would be the recruit is someone without a power role (and, if possible, who already had been investigated). And **MHaye** ’s dying toNight. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/432 "2007-08-30T00:11:16Z")
Are you kidding? If FCOD is anything, but a Citizen (unlikely) or the Prophet, then the town will have found out the recruit, MHaye. Holy crap! There are 4 scum left? MHaye is reporting that NAF is a non-believer… In other words NOT the Avatar. FCOD - Prophet NAF - Cultist ?? - Avatar ?? - Recruit The town is in lynch or lose, which explains Idle Thought’s Monk gambit (well, a little bit). ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/433 "2007-08-30T00:38:22Z")
Hahahahehehe _whistles more_ Oh, you’ll all find out. Trust me…it’s GOOD. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/434 "2007-08-30T04:12:28Z")
I’m Back… Did you miss me? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/435 "2007-08-30T04:33:05Z")
Right, I am also open to any interesting PMs and other bits of information. If anyone has any juicy gossip, let us know. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/436 "2007-08-30T10:22:31Z")
Well, I will admit that if I was still alive I would probably be voting for \*\*FCoD \*\* as well. And I see that \*\*Pleonast \*\* has decide to play the odds again on \*\*NAF1138 \*\* being a Cultist. IIRC, last time we tried that we got \*\*Diggit v2 \*\* dunked. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/437 "2007-08-30T11:49:04Z")
[QUOTE=DiggitCamara] And **MHaye** ’s dying toNight. [/QUOTE] Well, **Pleonast** may protect **MHaye** , presumably by dying in his place (that’s a Martyr’s normal role, although we have no idea what **Pleonast’s** abilities actually are). If **MHaye** is actually Cult then perhaps they may simulate the appearance of a Martyr block by targeting **Pleonast** directly: the death could then possibly be interpreted as a Martyr block, depending on how the death scene is written. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/438 "2007-08-30T11:58:48Z")
Welcome back, **CatinaSuit**. I was intrigued that you did not reveal who you had protected on the no kill Night. This seemed odd, as it would have been useful to the town to know who had definitely not been recruited that Night. Even if you had used the ‘protect 2’ ability and didn’t want to reveal that, you still could have named 1 player. I decided that you in fact protected nobody, having used the ‘protect 2’ on the previous Night, and didn’t want the Cult to know. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/439 "2007-08-30T12:12:29Z")
[QUOTE=Captain Klutz] Welcome back, **CatinaSuit**. I was intrigued that you did not reveal who you had protected on the no kill Night. This seemed odd, as it would have been useful to the town to know who had definitely not been recruited that Night. Even if you had used the ‘protect 2’ ability and didn’t want to reveal that, you still could have named 1 player. I decided that you in fact protected nobody, having used the ‘protect 2’ on the previous Night, and didn’t want the Cult to know. [/QUOTE] I won’t spoiler who I protected, but needless to say I got it right. (Thanks for the PM **Blaster Master** ) Also no-one actually asked me who I protected, although the fact that nobody mentioned the possibility that I might have succeeded, was a bit of a giveaway. I will be honest, and say I was trying to be upbeat for the town and get them thinking again. I also wanted to be as big a nuisance to the Cult as possible. I certainly hope that they felt nervous over my plans for **zuma v2**. That would have been highly amusing had it worked and taken out a Cultist. Personally, I still don’t think the cult has recruited yet, given the situation and I hope that they come to regret it. Knowing my skills at reading this game, it was done some time ago. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/440 "2007-08-30T13:24:54Z")
[QUOTE=CatinaSuit] Well, I will admit that if I was still alive I would probably be voting for \*\*FCoD \*\* as well. And I see that \*\*Pleonast \*\* has decide to play the odds again on \*\*NAF1138 \*\* being a Cultist. IIRC, last time we tried that we got \*\*Diggit v2 \*\* dunked. Oh well. [/QUOTE] Diggit was victim to a false reading. Assuming MHaye isn’t lying, his read of non-believer on NAF is fact. They can’t not lynch NAF, it is just a matter of when. I don’t think there are additional non-believers in the game because, there were already 4 (I think), more would have been unbalancing; and I think NAF is scum anyway. Also, if NAF really was a non-believer, he should have role claimed to eliminate unknowns for the Apprentice. Essentially, not roleclaiming wastes an apprentice read. NAF is scum, I detailed my reasons on my last Day in the game. I think they should go after FCOD. The evidence points to NAF being vanilla scum and FCOD being the prophet. I hope Hockey Monkey blocks NAF tonight (although, by my math, town needs two blocks to gain an additional day). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509.md?page=23)