# Forbidden Thread: Mafia V **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 26, 2007, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509 "2007-06-26T19:02:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/441 "2007-08-30T13:33:59Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] I think they should go after FCOD. The evidence points to NAF being vanilla scum and FCOD being the prophet. I hope Hockey Monkey blocks NAF tonight (although, by my math, town needs two blocks to gain an additional day). [/QUOTE] My $.05 is that they should go after the Prophet now, and FCoD is the best candidate for that. They then need to hunt down the Avatar, the candidates being everybody that has neither claimed a role nor MHaye has investigated. … assumming MHaye has been honest. Anyway, my sense is that there are 2 to 4 scum left: The Prophet and Avatar, potentially one plain Cultist, and potentially one recruit. I’m inclined to 2 original scum and 1 recruit. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/442 "2007-08-30T13:43:36Z")
[QUOTE=Scuba\_Ben] … assumming MHaye has been honest. [/QUOTE] That’s another reason to go after FCOD. If MHaye isn’t recruited, then tonight scum have to kill him, leaving him alive lets him get another investigation. If MHaye was recruited, then tomorrow town will be wondering why he is still alive. Scum could play risky and leave an unrecruited MHaye alive, but that’s potentially game losing if MHaye investigates and finds the Avatar. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/443 "2007-08-30T14:32:49Z")
Oh grief, now there is a turn up for the books. **zuma v2** was the Avatar. At least it was caught now before it had a chance to affect too much and as I didn’t vote for him, my death is not possible from the Avatar effect. I would also apply it now as well, because not too much time has passed in this day and it will give everyone, Town and Cult, time to adjust to the outcome. On the other hand. \< **Idle T** \> **Oh Yes, I was So Right!** **Come on you Avatar!** **Take out a Cultist!** \ Ahem. Normal service will now be resumed… ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/444 "2007-08-30T14:39:45Z")
Crap. It looks like the game just got broken. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/445 "2007-08-30T14:54:03Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] Crap. It looks like the game just got broken. [/QUOTE] Not necessarily. If both \*\*FCoD \*\* and \*\*Pygmy Rugger \*\* are both Cultists, then any game info is still kept in the Cult. Then \*\*Pygmy Rugger \*\* gets the wrath of Sekham from the Avatar and game balance is kinda restored. If \*\*FCoD \*\* is not Cult, then it will depend upon what \*\*Pygmy Rugger \*\* wrote and then deleted. Either way, I think \*\*Pygmy Rugger \*\* is going to be out shortly. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/446 "2007-08-30T15:00:42Z")
[QUOTE=CatinaSuit] Not necessarily. If both \*\*FCoD \*\* and \*\*Pygmy Rugger \*\* are both Cultists, then any game info is still kept in the Cult. Then \*\*Pygmy Rugger \*\* gets the wrath of Sekham from the Avatar and game balance is kinda restored. If \*\*FCoD \*\* is not Cult, then it will depend upon what \*\*Pygmy Rugger \*\* wrote and then deleted. Either way, I think \*\*Pygmy Rugger \*\* is going to be out shortly. [/QUOTE] Yeah, I don’t know. If **Pygmy** said what I’m guessing he said, there’s going to be a bit of a problem. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/447 "2007-08-30T15:04:29Z")
I _did_ see what Pygmy Rugger said and deleted: REDACTED ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/448 "2007-08-30T15:09:24Z")
[QUOTE=Scuba\_Ben] I _did_ see what Pygmy Rugger said and deleted: REDACTED [/QUOTE] I take it that it could cause significant grief then ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/449 "2007-08-30T15:11:34Z")
Catina, I can neither confirm nor deny anything about what was redacted. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/450 "2007-08-30T15:11:38Z")
Okay… FCoD made a suggestion, of which I was thinking, which was simply have the Avatar kill him; however, for those that have a more complete picture (like Storyteller) might be aware, I can’t really do that either… Oy, I think the game went from barely staying above broken to completely broken in one fel swoop. I have one idea, but I’m not sure if it wouldn’t just make matters worse… ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/451 "2007-08-30T15:15:16Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] Okay… FCoD made a suggestion, of which I was thinking, which was simply have the Avatar kill him; however, for those that have a more complete picture (like Storyteller) might be aware, I can’t really do that either… Oy, I think the game went from barely staying above broken to completely broken in one fel swoop. I have one idea, but I’m not sure if it wouldn’t just make matters worse… [/QUOTE] What’s your idea? \ You big scummy scum scum psychopath ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/452 "2007-08-30T15:17:50Z")
[QUOTE=Scuba\_Ben] Catina, I can neither confirm nor deny anything about what was redacted. [/QUOTE] That’s makes sense. Keep it under your hat/diving helmet/scuba gear etc etc. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/453 "2007-08-30T15:40:41Z")
I don’t understand. How could Pygmy Rugger post something that would effect the game? I mean, it’s not like he posts here in the forbidden thread, and anything else he posts on the SDMB would be totally irrelevant to the game. So why did he edit what he wrote? Is the general assumption that Pygmy Rugger is scum and was posting to the scum board? Well that doesn’t make sense either because it is DAY and scum should not be communicating during the day. And now the whole Avatar thing. Jeepers, what to make of this. I came to the conclusion that there were 4 scum left based on the observation that NAF is not the avatar, but is scum. So that conclusion is out the window now, but it still leaves unwanted impressions in my mind. Moving Avatar effect to someone else would have to ‘allow for’ moving it to NAF (scum scum scum!), otherwise it’s not ‘random’ and the town would be penalized for investigating NAF before the Avatar mistake was caught. I suppose NAF could become the avatar and MHaye given an updated read from last night, but that’s getting a bit too orchestrated and I’m worried that there are problems with that that I don’t see. Or you could make Idle Thoughts the Avatar and have me killed by him. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/454 "2007-08-30T15:46:01Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] I don’t understand. How could Pygmy Rugger post something that would effect the game? I mean, it’s not like he posts here in the forbidden thread, and anything else he posts on the SDMB would be totally irrelevant to the game. So why did he edit what he wrote? Is the general assumption that Pygmy Rugger is scum and was posting to the scum board? Well that doesn’t make sense either because it is DAY and scum should not be communicating during the day. [/QUOTE] Well, I’m not totally sure how **Blaster** is handling it in this game, but during M2 the scum were permitted to communicate during the Day - just not on substantive matters. We couldn’t talk strategy or coordinate tactics or anything like that, but we did post semi-frequently during the Day and any number of those posts could have been game breaking if done on the wrong board. > [@](#): > > Or you could make Idle Thoughts the Avatar and have me killed by him. That’s not a bad idea, since it evens out your death. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/455 "2007-08-30T16:10:54Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] Well, I’m not totally sure how **Blaster** is handling it in this game, but during M2 the scum were permitted to communicate during the Day - just not on substantive matters. We couldn’t talk strategy or coordinate tactics or anything like that, but we did post semi-frequently during the Day and any number of those posts could have been game breaking if done on the wrong board. [/QUOTE] Yes, they’re allowed to chit-chat during the Day and, of course, many of those posts could be game-breaking. > [@](#): > > That’s not a bad idea, since it evens out your death. Actually, I had considered the idea of making Idle Thoughts the Avatar at the time, but I specifically chose against it because he wasn’t, but had claimed he had knowledge that made him sure he was. Thus, if I’d made him the Avatar, it wouldn’t have lended undue credence to that claim. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/456 "2007-08-30T16:14:58Z")
Okay… if Pygmy hadn’t editted, it would be different, but he has to be out for breaking the rules. FCoD now definitively has game-breaking information, so he should be out too. If I mod-kill both of them, it’s like a day-night cycle and thus doesn’t affect the number of mis-lynches needed for the game to end. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/457 "2007-08-30T16:16:06Z")
…the sad thing is… if he hadn’t editted, it probably would have done less damage. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/458 "2007-08-30T16:32:36Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] FCoD now definitively has game-breaking information, so he should be out too. [/QUOTE] Oh, just tell us what he wrote. I can’t comment intelligently on things I know nothing about. We’re in here, they are out there. Because this statement in isolation gives a pretty good indication that FCOD and Pygmy Rugger are of different alignments; specifically FCOD is town and Pygmy is scum. The bummer is FCOD didn’t do anything wrong; so a mod-kill seems egregiously unfair. But if the statement was so innocuous that leaving it up would have been ‘less damaging’ then how does FCOD’s seeing it make FCOD mod-kill fodder? FCOD is getting dunked anyway, so a mod-kill probably isn’t too terrible. Weird, but not totally out of nowhere. It’s not like you’re mod-killing a Monk or anything 😃 . ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/459 "2007-08-30T16:43:52Z")
Yeah, I think at this point you oughta just say what Pygmy accidentally posted out there. If nothing else, PM it around–it’s gotta be juicy. =P I agree with sach (dammit, monk jink!) that FCoD doesn’t appear to have done anything wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/460 "2007-08-30T17:04:15Z")
[QUOTE=Zeriel] Yeah, I think at this point you oughta just say what Pygmy accidentally posted out there. If nothing else, PM it around–it’s gotta be juicy. =P I agree with sach (dammit, monk jink!) that FCoD doesn’t appear to have done anything wrong. [/QUOTE] You’re both right, FCoD didn’t do anything wrong. However, my concern is based on what happened in M3, where Idle Thoughts accidently got game breaking information and wasn’t mod-killed, and it very much affected the outcome of the game. I think I have a better idea… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509.md?page=24)