# Forbidden Thread: Mafia V **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 26, 2007, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509 "2007-06-26T19:02:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2007, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/121 "2007-07-19T15:08:49Z")
Does anyone but me think this lynch of **MadtheSwine** is a very bad one? They’re hardly even talking about anything else now, and I don’t think he’s scum. It reminds me a bit of the **Autolycus** lynch from M2, which went down so quickly and so unanimously that there was no way to even comb the wreckage for clues. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2007, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/122 "2007-07-19T15:40:22Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] Does anyone but me think this lynch of **MadtheSwine** is a very bad one? They’re hardly even talking about anything else now, and I don’t think he’s scum. It reminds me a bit of the **Autolycus** lynch from M2, which went down so quickly and so unanimously that there was no way to even comb the wreckage for clues. [/QUOTE] But in M2, you were scum, and knew I was gonna target another townie. You _DIDN’T_ like that!? 😕 I can’t comment on this one though, because I know what his alignment is. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2007, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/123 "2007-07-19T15:45:14Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] But in M2, you were scum, and knew I was gonna target another townie. You _DIDN’T_ like that!? 😕 I can’t comment on this one though, because I know what his alignment is. ☹ [/QUOTE] No, in _that_ game I thought it was awesome. In this game, where I’m rooting for town, it doesn’t seem like such a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2007, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/124 "2007-07-19T15:53:46Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] No, in _that_ game I thought it was awesome. In this game, where I’m rooting for town, it doesn’t seem like such a good thing. [/QUOTE] Well, to comment on what I can say without giving away any of my knowledge, I do think you’re right. Because he was away, he has a general ill-will toward him and it looks like they’re looking for reasons to hang him rather than reasons why he’s likely to be scum. Of course, that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re wrong either, because **Auto** was killed by **Hal** for similar reasons in M4, and that time he was scum. If I were playing, I’d really be pushing for more solid evidence, regardless of whether I was town or cult. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2007, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/125 "2007-07-19T23:11:28Z")
You’re right, that is a funny story. Now, I’m wishing I could tell folks. I’ll go tell the cat. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2007, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/126 "2007-07-20T00:00:08Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] Might I just add – damn, do I hope **MadTheSwine** really is scum. It was really just a snowballing twinge of suspicion that led me to vote for him, and now everyone is going crazy with it. Hopefully he floats, and my death will have been at least a _little_ bit worthwhile. [/QUOTE] It’s dangerous to get too invested in your twinges. I’m sitting here thinking I’m doing pretty good. I had four people id’ed on my scumdar. The first, and the person I voted for on Day 1(my only vote, _sniff_) turned out to be scum. I FOS’ed three other people. Of those three( **storyteller0910** , **MadTheSwine** , and **Pleonast** ) we know the role of **storyteller** , who was going to be my Day 2 vote. He wasn’t scum, but he did have hidden information, and he was using it to influence his game behavior, which set off my scumdar. So I count myself as being two for two at spotting people behaving in a manner inconsistent with the publicly available facts(which strongly suggests hidden information, and the only groups which have that on day 1 are the masons and scum). I’d love to be four for four, but I’m not so invested in it that I’ll discount other motives. **storyteller0910** being a monk really throws a wrench in my calculations because unless **MadTheSwine** is also a monk then there’s no hidden motive for mixing it up with him early in the game, which is a big part of why I suspected him. If I were still alive I’d consider **storyteller0910’s** demise(as a monk) largely exhonorating. I haven’t seen anything from **MadTheSwine** which makes me suspect him on his own, although I haven’t followed the thread as closely since my untimely death. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2007, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/127 "2007-07-22T20:42:27Z")
Where are the nachos? Sorry to disappoint ya **Hal** ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2007, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/128 "2007-07-23T15:30:46Z")
Hi, ya’ll! Is it too late to get in on the funny stories? I think I was killed because someone I was investigating was scum; I’ll bet it is **MHaye**. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2007, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/129 "2007-07-23T15:46:53Z")
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine] Where are the nachos? Sorry to disappoint ya **Hal** [/QUOTE] Welcome to the netherworld, **Mad** …sorry my minor twinge of suspicion turned into a tidal wave against you. Very bad timing, that… [QUOTE=SnakesCatLady] Hi, ya’ll! Is it too late to get in on the funny stories? [/QUOTE] I’ll be happy to share what I know with you (same goes for you, **Mad** ), but keep in mind that once I discuss what I know, you really wouldn’t be able to be subbed back in if the occasion arises. Up to you… ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2007, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/130 "2007-07-23T16:35:59Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] I’ll be happy to share what I know with you (same goes for you, **Mad** ), but keep in mind that once I discuss what I know, you really wouldn’t be able to be subbed back in if the occasion arises. Up to you… [/QUOTE] For myself, since I have no intention of subbing back in, please share! **SnakesCatLady** , you did better than I did. Pull up a chair. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2007, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/131 "2007-07-23T16:39:53Z")
As a courtesy to Idle Thoughts game that he will be hosting off-board, if you’re interested, or think you will be, go take a look here: [http://psychopathgame.proboards106.com/](http://psychopathgame.proboards106.com/) ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2007, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/132 "2007-07-23T16:49:25Z")
I’m not going to sub back in, I think I’m going to take a bit of time off from gaming. So I’d love to hear everything! I wish Idle Thoughts game had held off a bit, I would have liked to play but I just have too much to do right now. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2007, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/133 "2007-07-23T21:17:31Z")
No one is even going back and looking at who I suspected. I think I must have been close on someone or I don’t think I would have been killed. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2007, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/134 "2007-07-24T13:38:26Z")
[QUOTE=SnakesCatLady] No one is even going back and looking at who I suspected. I think I must have been close on someone or I don’t think I would have been killed. [/QUOTE] Well, they seem convinced about why you were killed, that it was because the cult thought you were a power role. Although, as you point out, that may or may not be the case. In all honesty though, I’m starting to wonder how much the suspicions of the dead (unless they have extra knowledge) mean. When I played scum, sometimes we deliberately targetted people because they were dead accurate, and sometimes we targetted them because they were way off. So it seems like when trying to guess if someone was killed because they were getting too close or because they would lead everyone off course seems like a WIFOM situation for both the town AND scum. Thus, I think one thing I’ve learned is that, unless you’re quite sure you can manipulate how a kill is interpretted without getting stuck in it yourself, it’s generally a bad idea to kill for those reasons. Instead, I’d say aim for potential power roles (for obvious reasons), town leaders (to instill chaos and reduce organization), and people unlikely to be lynched (for obvious reasons). ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2007, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/135 "2007-07-25T03:51:41Z")
If anyone who is not exempt from subbing back in would like to take **Nava** ’s spot, send me a PM. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2007, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/136 "2007-07-25T16:16:44Z")
1. I know I don’t have any official voice in this, but I say modkill **Nava**. 2. Anyone else think **Zeriel** is full of it? ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/137 "2007-07-26T14:12:37Z")
Does anybody believe **Pleonast** ’s claim? I don’t know what to make of it. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/138 "2007-07-26T14:56:16Z")
[QUOTE=Scuba\_Ben] Does anybody believe **Pleonast** ’s claim? I don’t know what to make of it. [/QUOTE] Ooh, I know what to make of it! Oh, darn… I can’t say. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/139 "2007-07-26T14:59:53Z")
Well, knowing what I know I can say very little. But I don’t think **Pleonast** is lying, mainly because I can’t see a single good reason for scum to throw out a false role claim at that point in the game. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/140 "2007-07-26T15:06:10Z")
And while I’m at it, I can’t believe the town is actually considering: (1) lynching **Pleonast** right this second, in spite of - or really because of - his role claim; and (2) specifically telling the Priest/Disciple whether or not to protect the Martyr. Why, why, _why_ would they do this? If **Pleonast** is lying, and they don’t lynch him, the truth will out eventually. The Apprentice will investigate him, or he’ll get night killed, or the real secret role (I’d be astonished if there were more than one) will claim or be killed. Lynch him when he’s definitively proven to be a liar. If you lynch him now, and he’s telling the truth, you’ve lost a useful asset - and, outside definitions aside, his powers may not be anything resembling what the definition posted in the thread claimed them to be. But telling the Priest / Disciple not to protect him is _crazy._ Let them decide on their own. Let them keep the scum guessing. If the town decides as a group not to protect Pleo, and the Priest / Disciple actually _listen_, and Pleo is telling the truth, then you’ve just given the scum a free shot at a power role! Augh! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509.md?page=8)