# Forbidden Thread: Mafia V **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 26, 2007, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509 "2007-06-26T19:02:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/141 "2007-07-26T15:38:50Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] …and the Priest / Disciple actually _listen_… [/QUOTE] Therein lies the rub. The town can say whatever they like…it’s up to the P/D to do whatever they choose. One reason I occasionally mentioned to the group that perhaps they should drop the whole “the Oracle and Apprentice should do \” talk was that I wasn’t listening. There were these massively long, thought-out strategy posts, and I was just skimming through them. I had my strategy, and I was sticking with it. Although judging by how that turned out, maybe the P/D _should_ listen… ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/142 "2007-07-26T17:14:18Z")
FTR, very few of the roles I included are intentionally not identical to their definitions. I won’t explicitly state whether or not **Pleonast** ’s role claim is true, but I will say that, for a secret role, I certainly wouldn’t do a such a plain role as the quoted definition that **sachetorte** quoted, I’d at least jazz it up a little. I am kind of surprised no one has really explored the effects of various secret roles and how they’d affect the balance of the game. Clearly, I’m not going to put in a role that would massively unbalance the game. I really think the town will be better able to determine the veracity of his claim by examining how such a role would impact the game balance I’m REALLY interested to see how the cult reacts Tonight as well. Will they consider him essentially confirmed and worth killing? Will they figure he’ll get lynched anyway? Will they take a guess on whether he’s convertable or not and try to do that instead? Maybe they’ll convert someone else and try to make a frame him? There’s ALL kinds of discussion they’re probably busting at the seems not to start on. I’ve yet to see a dull Night. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/143 "2007-07-26T18:20:19Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] FTR, very few of the roles I included are intentionally not identical to their definitions. [/QUOTE] I just realized that I’d butchered that sentence when I editted it. I meant it to say “FTR, very few of the roles I included are identical to their traditional definitions.” Maybe that makes a bit more sense, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/144 "2007-07-27T02:17:02Z")
I’d like to say some things, but I’d probably better keep my mouth shut. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2007, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/145 "2007-07-28T07:35:35Z")
So here I am, in that wonderful forbidden thread in the sky. That bandwagon seemed to pop up a bit quickly… I’m not planning to sub back in, so **storyteller0910** , I’d love to hear your funny story. And for what it’s worth, I think Kyrie/Clockwork Jackal is the Apprentice (posts 531 and 627). ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2007, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/146 "2007-07-28T23:29:22Z")
Hey, **Captain Klutz**! Come on in and grab some nachos. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2007, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/147 "2007-07-28T23:37:37Z")
Hey, sorry for thinking you were Cult, **Captain Klutz**. But at least I got killed before I could get you killed! Hey **Kat**! Nice cheerleading outfit! Wish I could go ghost around, especially since **fluiddruid** seems to think I am still alive. I “don’t ping” her as scum. Hell, I’m dead - I can’t ping at all! ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2007, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/148 "2007-07-29T00:41:15Z")
[QUOTE=SnakesCatLady] Hey, sorry for thinking you were Cult, **Captain Klutz**. But at least I got killed before I could get you killed! [/QUOTE] Hey, no hard feelings. I actually thought you were the Oracle, and had investigated **AzTeach/Kat** and then me. I got a bit of a surprise when a different Oracle turned up dead that night. And Kat, I’ll join you in some nachos. Although I’m not sure about the cheerleading outfit. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2007, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/149 "2007-07-29T00:45:37Z")
Thanks, **SCL**. I got it just for this occasion. And, I don’t think the outfit would fit you, **Cap**. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/150 "2007-07-30T14:56:11Z")
**Queuing** got it in one: [QUOTE=Queuing] I think she was killed because the Cult thought she was the apprentice. I know I did. [/QUOTE] Same here. Excerpted from my Mafia Journal: > [@](#): > > Now, I _think_ I might have a bead on who my apprentice may be – **HazelNetCoffee**? Is that you? Well, either way, you’ll be the subject of my investigation tonight. Wanna hear a bit of crazy reasoning? Check out the hint I dropped in [Post #301](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8719716&postcount=301): > [QUOTE=Hal Briston] > So in a nutshell, the Apprentice needs to find an unobvious way to say “Yo, Oracle! Over here!” asap… Now, since the apprentice knows that I’m the Oracle, they’ll hopefully realize that I’m asking them to find an unobvious way to say “Yo, Oracle! Over here!” asap. Now the crazy part: Check out the first two letters of [the very next post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8719718&postcount=302). Yeah, I know…almost no chance of that being intentional. Still, **HNC** has mentioned the Oracle and Apprentice enough times that I’m pretty sure I’ve found my #2. [/QUOTE] As it turns out, my “Yo Oracle” post probably led to my murder, and I was wrong about **HNC** anyway. Bad ideas all around. \…Ah well…welcome to the other side, **HNC**! ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/151 "2007-07-30T15:21:43Z")
Things are not looking good for the Town. I hope they can flush a few Cultists soon. Meanwhile, **HazelNutCoffee** , have some chips and watch the rest of the show with us. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/152 "2007-07-30T16:12:56Z")
Whoa. I can’t believe I got killed. I thought I’d be rather low on the kill-list because I feel like I’ve been so useless during the entire game. 😛 Why did people think I was the Apprentice, though? Did I come across as trying to lay low without being too obvious about it? Ah, well. It’s probably good I got killed - I would have been unable to participate much starting next week anyway. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/153 "2007-07-30T16:17:53Z")
I think things are getting awfully interesting now. I suspect the next two or three Days / Nights are going to tell the tale of the game. Remember, the Priest and Disciple are still out there, unidentified. The Apprentice has now performed a fair number of investigations and might have useful information. Who the heck knows what the secret role might actually have to contribute. If the town could manage to weed out the Prophet somehow, they’d be in very good shape. If they can’t, though, they’ll be at an even greater disadvantage because of the recruitment possibility. Can’t. Stop. Watching. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/154 "2007-07-30T18:02:40Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] **Queuing** got it in one:Same here. Excerpted from my Mafia Journal: As it turns out, my “Yo Oracle” post probably led to my murder, and I was wrong about **HNC** anyway. Bad ideas all around. \…Ah well…welcome to the other side, **HNC**! [/QUOTE] Without trying to give too much away. There was a post of hers that looked vaguely apprenticey to me too, even more so, but it wasn’t that one. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/155 "2007-07-30T20:16:40Z")
If the Cultists thought I was the Apprentice, then I must have been doing something right, I suppose. Athough I honestly don’t see how they could think that after the first Day or so. Everyone I voted for turned out to be not-scum (except for **Pleonast** , who remains unconfirmed). I was thinking that last Night was more significant in who they did not kill, rather than who they killed (me), but I’m just as confused as I was when I was in the game, so I could be way off base. On a side note, the number of people having to sub out during this game is absolutely ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/156 "2007-07-30T21:05:01Z")
Okay, if any of you have suggestions on a way to rectify the situation fairly, I’m open to suggestions. I have a couple in mind, but they would be a serious case of bastard modding, and I certainly want to stay away from that. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/157 "2007-07-30T21:15:24Z")
I don’t there is a way to do it fairly. The town is screwed either way. (And as an aside, I was thinking that the reactions to subbing could also be potential scum tells. As a vanilla townie it is EXTREMELY frustrating every time someone subs out. Just a thought.) Honestly, when the next game is up I really think it needs to be stressed: games last several months, and if you KNOW that you’ll be unable to access a computer for more than a few days at any one stretch before the game is over, you really shouldn’t commit. Emergencies are inevitable, but at least this would weed out people with vacation/travel plans who are vaguely thinking, “Well, I’m sure I’ll be dead by then.” To be fair to **sachertorte** , no one could have predicted the extreme amount of subs that have piled up throughout the course of this game. Sorry the game is going so weirdly, **Blaster**. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2007, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/158 "2007-07-31T14:28:51Z")
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] I don’t there is a way to do it fairly. The town is screwed either way. (And as an aside, I was thinking that the reactions to subbing could also be potential scum tells. As a vanilla townie it is EXTREMELY frustrating every time someone subs out. Just a thought.) Honestly, when the next game is up I really think it needs to be stressed: games last several months, and if you KNOW that you’ll be unable to access a computer for more than a few days at any one stretch before the game is over, you really shouldn’t commit. Emergencies are inevitable, but at least this would weed out people with vacation/travel plans who are vaguely thinking, “Well, I’m sure I’ll be dead by then.” To be fair to **sachertorte** , no one could have predicted the extreme amount of subs that have piled up throughout the course of this game. Sorry the game is going so weirdly, **Blaster**. [/QUOTE] Well, I think I’ve got a couple ideas on how to rectify the situation. I really do think that subs hurt the game, but particularly for this one, the balance is very important, which is why I haven’t just mod-killed a couple of times when finding a sub was a real pain in the ass. I think a big part of the problem is just that I was too ambitious. I think if the roles were more loosely balanced, a mod-kill would be a lot easier to justify. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2007, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/159 "2007-08-02T12:26:54Z")
This will teach me to try and catch up on 30 pages and several days of game thread. It also does not look good for the town as well. However, **Hal** given your post #1645 where you appear to breadcrumb **Hockey Monkey** as town followed by her revelation of being an Alchemist mean she is much more likely to be the **Prophet**. And no one picked this up and has challenged on it? Reading through the rest of it, I would also guess that **Queuing and Zuma V.2** for misdirection on **Hal Briston’s** posting history and **Sachertorte** for suggesting two alchemists would be cultists in arms Not many others are really looking like scum at the moment though. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2007, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509/160 "2007-08-02T12:39:11Z")
[QUOTE=CatinaSuit] However, **Hal** given your post #1645 where you appear to breadcrumb **Hockey Monkey** as town followed by her revelation of being an Alchemist mean she is much more likely to be the **Prophet**. [/QUOTE] Wow, I hadn’t thought of that! That would be very interesting. But I do agree, if they don’t eliminate a second Cultist very soon, it don’t look good. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-mafia-v/409509.md?page=9)