# Forbidden thread Version 3 (off limits to players of Mafia III) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 19, 2007, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795 "2007-04-19T15:34:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2007, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795/441 "2007-06-20T18:53:12Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] Yes, it was my idea to have a progessively shorter Day to avoid these kinds of stale moments. I’d have been perfectly happy if the Day was only two or days here. I just think a [random.org](http://random.org) call is about as anti-climactic as the game could possibly be. I think if either team is going to lose, they’d rather lose because someone found a tell, or failed to find a tell, than simply because they couldn’t make a decision. That said, even if **Diggit** does result to a random, or mostly random choice, I hope he can at least justify it with saying he’s going with his gut. [/QUOTE] Looks like Diggit’s doing well at this point. I actually buy his latest post, and if I were in game, would definitely vote nesta. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2007, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795/442 "2007-06-20T19:10:30Z")
[QUOTE=Millit the Frail] Looks like Diggit’s doing well at this point. I actually buy his latest post, and if I were in game, would definitely vote nesta. [/QUOTE] So, **Gadarene,** if you’re reading: If **Cookies** pops up and votes for **nesta,** will the Day end immediately due to the unanimous vote, or will there be a countdown of some sort, or will things go until Friday in any case? Because if **Cookies** is scum, (s)he would probably jump to vote if it would end the Day instantly. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2007, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795/443 "2007-06-20T19:37:42Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] So, **Gadarene,** if you’re reading: If **Cookies** pops up and votes for **nesta,** will the Day end immediately due to the unanimous vote, or will there be a countdown of some sort, or will things go until Friday in any case? Because if **Cookies** is scum, (s)he would probably jump to vote if it would end the Day instantly. [/QUOTE] Which (s)he just did. (Jump in with a vote for **nesta** ). This is exciting all of a sudden. ---
**Author:** ![Kyrie\_Eleison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kyrie_eleison/32/7682_2.png) [@Kyrie\_Eleison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyrie_Eleison)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2007, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795/444 "2007-06-20T22:02:54Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] Because if **Cookies** is scum, (s)he would probably jump to vote if it would end the Day instantly. [/QUOTE] But wouldn’t she do the same thing if she were town? **Diggit** ’s case for not being the recruit is pretty convincing. If she’s town, she also ought to jump at the chance to lock the lynch on **nesta**. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2007, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795/445 "2007-06-20T22:05:14Z")
[QUOTE=Kyrie Eleison] But wouldn’t she do the same thing if she were town? **Diggit** ’s case for not being the recruit is pretty convincing. If she’s town, she also ought to jump at the chance to lock the lynch on **nesta**. [/QUOTE] Hey, while you’re in here, can you spill the beans on what your breadcrumb was? It can’t possibly affect the game anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Kyrie\_Eleison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kyrie_eleison/32/7682_2.png) [@Kyrie\_Eleison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyrie_Eleison)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2007, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795/446 "2007-06-20T22:47:02Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] Hey, while you’re in here, can you spill the beans on what your breadcrumb was? It can’t possibly affect the game anymore. [/QUOTE] I investigated **NAF1138** the first night. **Diggit** (at least I think it was Diggit without double checking) had it right – there was no breadcrumb, as NAF woke up dead the next morning. In retrospect, perhaps I should have breadcrumbed something anyway, but at the time, it didn’t occur to me to do so. The **fluiddruid** vote that everyone was talking about was two things: First, I was honestly suspicious of her, and honestly not suspicious of the two that were on the menu that day. Second, it was foreshadowing for the next day’s breadcrumb. I had chosen to investigate fluid; if she came up scummy, I would have reinforced the case as the breadcrumb for that day. If she were cleared, I would find her defense compelling and back down. The anti-FOS of you was just what it appeared. A silly mistake on my part based on a misinterpretation of what you’d said. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795/447 "2007-06-21T00:34:55Z")
[QUOTE=Kyrie Eleison] I investigated **NAF1138** the first night. **Diggit** (at least I think it was Diggit without double checking) had it right – there was no breadcrumb, as NAF woke up dead the next morning. In retrospect, perhaps I should have breadcrumbed something anyway, but at the time, it didn’t occur to me to do so. The **fluiddruid** vote that everyone was talking about was two things: First, I was honestly suspicious of her, and honestly not suspicious of the two that were on the menu that day. Second, it was foreshadowing for the next day’s breadcrumb. I had chosen to investigate fluid; if she came up scummy, I would have reinforced the case as the breadcrumb for that day. If she were cleared, I would find her defense compelling and back down. The anti-FOS of you was just what it appeared. A silly mistake on my part based on a misinterpretation of what you’d said. [/QUOTE] Well, at least I feel vindicated in that respect, that the fluiddruid crumb was merely suspicious. I suppose in that aspect, it was good I wasn’t a townie, because I really wanted to tear into that logic. Oh well, live and learn. ---
**Author:** ![Kyrie\_Eleison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kyrie_eleison/32/7682_2.png) [@Kyrie\_Eleison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyrie_Eleison)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795/448 "2007-06-21T01:10:23Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] I suppose in that aspect, it was good I wasn’t a townie, because I really wanted to tear into that logic. [/QUOTE] I’m not sure I’m following you – what logic are you referring to? ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795/449 "2007-06-21T01:16:13Z")
[QUOTE=Kyrie Eleison] I’m not sure I’m following you – what logic are you referring to? [/QUOTE] I wanted to tear into the logic that said that **fluiddruid** was your breadcrumb. I was just a bit afraid to be THAT aggressive, because I knew that when she or I did eventually show up as scum, it would look bad. Instead, I was stuck with trying to come up with an alternate hypothesis… given the available data, I honestly think it was more legitimate, but it was still ultimately driven by an artificial confirmation bias. ---
**Author:** ![Kyrie\_Eleison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kyrie_eleison/32/7682_2.png) [@Kyrie\_Eleison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyrie_Eleison)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795/450 "2007-06-21T01:35:08Z")
Yeah, although it worked out best for the town, the lack of any sort of investigative result on day two had everyone grasping at straws. I think **fluid** said it best – that’s not a crumb, that’s a whole loaf! While we’re chatting, perhaps you could satisfy my personal curiosity about something. In her long defense post on day two, **fluid** said that she’d voted for me twice, although she’d only voted once for me in the game thread. Did she actually conflate votes on two boards, and mistake a night-kill vote for a day vote, or was it an honest mistake? I suspect the latter, but, boy, was I ready to use it to make a case regardless if the investigation result came back positive. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795/451 "2007-06-21T13:33:19Z")
Tick, tick, boom. **Gadarene** has started the countdown clock. Get your final bets down, people! Who will win - Mafia or Masons? (I think we’re agreed that the Citizen is screwed.) ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795/452 "2007-06-21T13:35:14Z")
Nope, the Mason have no shot at the win here. **nesta** will almost certainly swing. Either she’s scum, leaving one townie and one Mason (giving the town a win – Masons would have to _outnumber_ town for a Mason win), or she’s town, meaning the scum win. Go town!! ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795/453 "2007-06-21T13:47:27Z")
Ah - I must have conflated the Mafia win condition ( N(scum) \>= N(!scum) ) with the Mason win condition, which you describe as N(mason) \> N(citizen). Revised: Are they getting the scum for a town win? Or a miscall for a Mafia win? ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795/454 "2007-06-21T14:03:23Z")
[QUOTE=Kyrie Eleison] Yeah, although it worked out best for the town, the lack of any sort of investigative result on day two had everyone grasping at straws. I think **fluid** said it best – that’s not a crumb, that’s a whole loaf! While we’re chatting, perhaps you could satisfy my personal curiosity about something. In her long defense post on day two, **fluid** said that she’d voted for me twice, although she’d only voted once for me in the game thread. Did she actually conflate votes on two boards, and mistake a night-kill vote for a day vote, or was it an honest mistake? I suspect the latter, but, boy, was I ready to use it to make a case regardless if the investigation result came back positive. [/QUOTE] It must have been a mistake, I don’t recall any talk about hitting you on Night One (but I can’t check at work since yahoogroups are blocked). However, if it makes you feel any better, she was the one who suggested and pushed for getting you killed on Night Two. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795/455 "2007-06-21T16:31:56Z")
Not sure why **Malacandra** didn’t spread word further, but it seems the _Hispaniola_ is in need of a substitute sailor. See his post [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8701702&postcount=75) for details. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795/456 "2007-06-21T17:54:48Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] Not sure why **Malacandra** didn’t spread word further, but it seems the _Hispaniola_ is in need of a substitute sailor. See his post [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8701702&postcount=75) for details. [/QUOTE] FTR, it looks like **storyteller** is subbing in. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795/457 "2007-06-21T18:53:27Z")
So is the game really going to end today? Closure, I need closure! Um, when does the next game start? Impatient, I’m impatient! ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795/458 "2007-06-21T19:02:38Z")
[QUOTE=Scuba\_Ben] Ah - I must have conflated the Mafia win condition ( N(scum) \>= N(!scum) ) with the Mason win condition, which you describe as N(mason) \> N(citizen). Revised: Are they getting the scum for a town win? Or a miscall for a Mafia win? [/QUOTE] See, I think Masons should get the same advantage as Mafia there. Fulfilling the Mason win conditions, from the beginning, seemed nigh on impossible, with only three of us. We started out at such a disadvantage, and we did so well, just by our sheer staying power! We should get something, just for coming so close. I have read elsewhere, all over the internet, that Masons are usually allowed to talk at night. I’m not sure that would have helped us a lot, but it might have given us a shot. Any reason why this rule hasn’t been co-opted on the SDMB? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795/459 "2007-06-21T19:12:23Z")
[QUOTE=Millit the Frail] I have read elsewhere, all over the internet, that Masons are usually allowed to talk at night. I’m not sure that would have helped us a lot, but it might have given us a shot. Any reason why this rule hasn’t been co-opted on the SDMB? [/QUOTE] Sometimes yes, sometimes no, I wouldn’t say usually. I didn’t use it in my game because it makes the mason block a lot more powerful, and the game gets a bit trickier to balance. I suspect RT did the same. Don’t want to speak for Gad. With Mal’s game (off board), if the masons could talk at night it would almost break the game, because one mason is also a doctor. [Slightly OT]I sort of like the idea of the doc being a mason. It allows you to bulk up on the evil forces in the game because the docs and masons are SO much more powerful together than they would be apart. And, at least for me, the more evil forces in the game the more fun in is.[/slightly OT] ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795/460 "2007-06-21T19:49:56Z")
[QUOTE=Millit the Frail] See, I think Masons should get the same advantage as Mafia there. Fulfilling the Mason win conditions, from the beginning, seemed nigh on impossible, with only three of us. [/QUOTE] I agree. The mason only win condtion was crazy hard to accomplish. knocking it down to 50% or more would be more attainable (still hard though). But Gaderene allows masons to win with the town. Since you win either way, I don’t think the masons should complain too much about the difficulty of the extra win condition. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-thread-version-3-off-limits-to-players-of-mafia-iii/400795.md?page=24)