# "Ford Talks With Gay Leaders" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 13, 2005, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493 "2005-12-13T22:11:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SparrowHawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ac8455/32.png) [@SparrowHawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SparrowHawk)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493/21 "2005-12-14T00:51:40Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > I read the part I bolded as the National Gay and Lesbian Track Team. I was about to ask where I could go to see them race. 😛 [Chicago](http://www.gaygameschicago.org/) looks like a good bet. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493/22 "2005-12-14T02:42:14Z")
You gotta wonder what this google ad’s all about > [@](#): > > Searching For Lesbians? > We’ll Pay You $300 Right Now To Take A Quick Lesbian Survey! ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493/23 "2005-12-14T02:51:50Z")
Gay and Lesbian Track Team. Where the girls throw a shot and they guys skip merrily … /one ticket. //they’d be the best dressed team ///Heterosexual Agenda? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493/24 "2005-12-14T03:04:03Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > I suppose they could have headlined the story “Ford talks with some pissed-off queers” but… 😉 Now THAT made me laugh! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493/25 "2005-12-14T03:06:10Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > I read the part I bolded as the National Gay and Lesbian Track Team. I was about to ask where I could go to see them race. 😛 They run in heels and wigs - it’s a drag race 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493/26 "2005-12-14T04:07:44Z")
> [@Roderick Femm](#): > > No, sorry, those people don’t speak for me (or any of my friends, FWIW). Oh, well, then feel free to start your own organization. What specifically do these organizations say that your and your friends find so distasteful? > [@Roddy](#): > > “… queers who care”? What the unprintable hell does that mean? Presumptuous, **Otto** , presumptuous. I did say “generally.” Selectively read, Roddy, selectively read. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493/27 "2005-12-14T04:13:28Z")
I think that’s the best responses I’ve had in, well, ever! I need to _constantly_ misread what others post. 🙂 The QE guys would be so proud!! ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493/28 "2005-12-14T04:45:58Z")
> [@pizzabrat](#): > > Now all gays get to be patronized whenever a popular gay-rights activist emerges and is clumsily titled thier king. That’s queen to you, darling. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493/29 "2005-12-14T04:53:43Z")
Wow! For a 92 year old man he has had a VERY busy [day!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=349385) ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493/30 "2005-12-14T05:10:45Z")
> [@](#): > > I wonder who the heterosexual leaders are,… Falwell, Dobson, Wildmon, Robertson, Phelps?,… ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493/31 "2005-12-14T05:25:12Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > Oh, well, then feel free to start your own organization. What specifically do these organizations say that your and your friends find so distasteful? > I did say “generally.” Selectively read, Roddy, selectively read. Two points, as politely put as I can muster (because you seem to be intentionally trying to provoke): 1. I speak for me. I don’t pretend to speak for other people. I don’t need to start or belong to any organization to exist in this condition. I do not need to be “represented” as a gay person. As for what these organizations espouse that I find distasteful, that is too long to go into here. I will consider starting a pit thread about HRC another time. 2. What you said was > [@](#): > > These two groups, along with Lambda Legal, are generally acknowledged among those queers who care as the leading national gay civil rights organizations. The word “generally” modified the word “acknowledged”, not the odious expression “queers who care”. How dare you presume that I either must acknowledge the leadership of these groups, or else be lumped as a queer who “doesn’t care”, whatever the hell that might mean in your perfervid imagination. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493/32 "2005-12-14T05:31:12Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Falwell, Dobson, Wildmon, Robertson, Phelps?,… Frankly, I’d prefer Hefner, Robert Anton Wilson, Guccione, Flynt, and Erica Jong. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493/33 "2005-12-14T05:43:51Z")
> [@Roderick Femm](#): > > How dare you presume that I either must acknowledge the leadership of these groups, or else be lumped as a queer who “doesn’t care”, whatever the hell that might mean in your perfervid imagination. I think the bunch in your panties is caught on the stick up your ass. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493/34 "2005-12-14T05:59:54Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > I think the bunch in your panties is caught on the stick up your ass. Is this the best you can do to win an argument? Do you feel at a disadvantage when it comes to the actual issues addressed? Do you have anything of substance to say? Don’t be shy, dear. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493/35 "2005-12-14T06:12:22Z")
Queer fight! ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493/36 "2005-12-14T08:15:13Z")
O.K. The Google ad at the bottom right now is creeping me out. How did that end up here? > [@](#): > > The Cross is > Politically Incorrect So was Jesus. [www.hiscrossisyourcross.com](http://www.hiscrossisyourcross.com) This really makes no sense or am I missing something? ---
**Author:** ![SparrowHawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ac8455/32.png) [@SparrowHawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SparrowHawk)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493/37 "2005-12-14T08:26:25Z")
> [@Kolak of Twilo](#): > > O.K. The Google ad at the bottom right now is creeping me out. How did that end up here? > This really makes no sense or am I missing something? Perhaps because of Post #30? ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493/38 "2005-12-14T08:40:36Z")
As far as I know these gay organizations exist simply to eliminate invidious discrimination against homosexuals. So I think Otto got it right to say that they represent every “queer that cares” about being treated equally. Now as far as people saying “hey, I didn’t elect them!” Well, tough shit. There are lots of leaders out there who don’t speak for everyone they represent. Hell, even with our **elected** representatives maybe only 25% of those eligible to vote cast a vote for any given candidate. They’re still our leaders. You know what, I’m willing to bet that the work done by the HRC is supported by a solid majority of homosexuals. What do we need here to satisfy you as to the “leader” label, a goddamned referendum? You’d still find a reason to bitch even then. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493/39 "2005-12-14T13:23:39Z")
Dear Ford Motor Company, If you don’t resume your advertising campaign marketing to gays, transgendered and lesbians, I will take my heterosexual spending dollar over to a car company who isn’t afraid to market to queers, dykes and queens. The same said for Asian, African, Vertically Challenged People, Morbidly Overweight People and any other demographic that is missing from Ad campaigns Sincerely, Shirley Ujest ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493/40 "2005-12-14T13:51:00Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > I think the bunch in your panties is caught on the stick up your ass. Dear **Otto** , You owe me a new monitor. Best wishes **Malacandra** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ford-talks-with-gay-leaders/335493.md?page=3)