# Foreigner pretending to be Christian? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 13, 2012, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foreigner-pretending-to-be-christian/624977 "2012-06-13T02:11:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foreigner-pretending-to-be-christian/624977/21 "2012-06-13T19:07:54Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > China’s got an official state version of Christianity. I hear they even tried to elect their own pope, and clashed with the Vatican about cardinals and some such. I’m surprised, but not too shocked that the kid’s version of Christianity doesn’t include a lot of things like Jesus. There officially recognized branch of the Catholic church in China has to acknowledge the authority of the Party above the Pope. Chinese Catholics have a long history, but have faced some real pressures in recent years. Religion has a long history of being a means of organizing rebellions against the Chinese state (think back to the Boxers), and so the Party regards religious hierarchies as a potential threat to power. This is why, for example, they get so over the top with Falun Gong. The Party doesn’t want any organization with power that they cannot control. The way Christianity is practiced in China is not a “kid’s version.” It’s a reflection on the fact that China has basically no history of hierarchal, universalist, all-or-nothing religions. The concept of religion in China is not exclusive and organized as it is here. It’s inclusive, pluralistic, and diffuse. A “religion” is nothing more or less than how people practice it, and that is how it is practiced there. ---
**Author:** ![gunnergoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e95f7d/32.png) [@gunnergoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gunnergoz)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foreigner-pretending-to-be-christian/624977/22 "2012-06-13T19:49:02Z")
Just guessing, but is it not possible that the Chinese family saw an opportunity to have their child go outside the country and experience a foreign culture firsthand - and for free, pretty much - and they took advantage of it with no sinister intent, but simply to give the kid a leg up when the kid returns to the pretty competitive modern Chinese culture. If all it took to do this was to say “Yes” to the Christianity question and there was no other “litmus test” involved, why not? They may well have had no idea that the purpose of the student exchange was to try to inculcate the child further in foreign religious beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foreigner-pretending-to-be-christian/624977/23 "2012-06-13T21:05:07Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > The way Christianity is practiced in China is not a “kid’s version.” I think YogSosoth meant the version of “Christianity” in the mind of the kid in the OP. But your point is well taken. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foreigner-pretending-to-be-christian/624977/24 "2012-06-13T21:31:55Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Am I the only one who read the Thread title **Foreigner pretending to be Christian** and thought the band was newly taking on a faux-religious identity in an attempt to be relevant with a new audience? > > Perhaps a rock musical _Jesus Christ Juke Box Hero_ > . . . with the show-stopping ballad “I Want To Know What Christ’s Love Is”? > “Heals Like the First Time”? > “Waiting for a God Like You”? > “Blessed are the Hot Blooded for they shall receive Double Vision”? Let’s not forget “Scourgèd,” “Godhead Games,” and the rousing favorite “Dirty Jew Boy.”\* - Set list subject to change without notice. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foreigner-pretending-to-be-christian/624977/25 "2012-06-13T21:42:19Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Am I the only one who read the Thread title **Foreigner pretending to be Christian** and thought the band was newly taking on a faux-religious identity in an attempt to be relevant with a new audience? No, you weren’t the only one. That’s exactly what I thought, too. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foreigner-pretending-to-be-christian/624977/26 "2012-06-14T03:36:46Z")
So to use the organization, the person doesn’t have to be Christian, but since it is a Christian group helping out, then the mother probably told the daughter to say she was Christian. I can see a Chinese person doing that out of naivety, and much more likely than because she was afraid of persecution. Or, you can get Chinese who are all out for themselves and maybe she thought she could get something for free. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foreigner-pretending-to-be-christian/624977/27 "2012-06-14T05:24:01Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > China’s got an official state version of Christianity. I hear they even tried to elect their own pope, and clashed with the Vatican about cardinals and some such. I’m surprised, but not too shocked that the kid’s version of Christianity doesn’t include a lot of things like Jesus. Two, actually. There’s the [Three-Self Patriotic Movement](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Self_Patriotic_Movement) for Protestants, and the [Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Patriotic_Catholic_Association) for Catholics. Also there’s a [Chinese Patriotic Islamic Association](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Patriotic_Islamic_Association). > [@even\_sven](#): > > There officially recognized branch of the Catholic church in China has to acknowledge the authority of the Party above the Pope… It’s also been required to endorse artificial contraception, the PRC’s One Child Policy, and abortion. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foreigner-pretending-to-be-christian/624977/28 "2012-06-14T09:51:43Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > I think the OP actually was interested in what might have been going on with this Chinese exchange student and no so much about “what feelings does this story remind you of.” **Kimmy** , I’m going to have to apologize to you then, because the thread title reminds me of a story, and by golly, I’m going to share it. There is a branch of my husband’s family that is quite fervent, fundamentalist, and evangelical in their Christian beliefs. The rest of the family has been hit up several times over the years for funds (via mass-produced form letters, but that’s a complaint for another thread) to pay for our niece to travel abroad, as a high school student, on various short-term proselytizing trips. Although I suspect that these kids mostly just get in the way of serious aid workers, at least there is arguably a rationale for some of the trips, such as when they helped at a dental hygiene clinic (and oh by the way Jesus loves you, hold still while I’ve got this sharp object in your mouth!) in Haiti. But my favorite request by far was when she went to Amsterdam. Her letter asked us all for money to send her to Holland so she could, actual quote here, “bring Jesus to the Europeans.” Yep. Because those Europeans - they’ve never heard of Jesus! Probably if they said they were Christian, it was just because their mothers told them to. ---
**Author:** ![Namkcalb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c89c15/32.png) [@Namkcalb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Namkcalb)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foreigner-pretending-to-be-christian/624977/29 "2012-06-14T12:19:19Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > But my favorite request by far was when she went to Amsterdam. Her letter asked us all for money to send her to Holland so she could, actual quote here, “bring Jesus to the Europeans.” > > Yep. Because those Europeans - they’ve never heard of Jesus! Probably if they said they were Christian, it was just because their mothers told them to. You’ll be suprised how unchristian the UK is now, and I see no evidence to suggest the Netherlands is any different. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foreigner-pretending-to-be-christian/624977/30 "2012-06-14T13:50:11Z")
Yeah, Europe is such a stupid country. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foreigner-pretending-to-be-christian/624977/31 "2012-06-14T14:12:33Z")
To a Western Christian (Catholic) like myself, “Are you a Christian” is a simple yes-or-no question. However, I have found that, among many Asians (especially Indians), it’s not uncommon for people to mix and match bits and pieces of several different religions. In Japan, there’s often a weird mix of Shintoism and Buddhism. In India, Hindus regularly incorporate bits of Buddhism and even Christianity. Hence, a prominent Hindu like Gandhi sometimes called himelf a Christian… though very few Christians would consider him one. A girl from a not-particularly-religious Chinese family may mix Confucianism, Taoism, Buddhism and a bit of Christianity. She may even call herself a Christian sincerely, even if she doesn’t really believe in (or even know about) doctrines that most Western Christians would consider essential, and even if she rarely or never sets foot in any kind of church. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foreigner-pretending-to-be-christian/624977/32 "2012-06-14T14:45:02Z")
> [@Namkcalb](#): > > You’ll be suprised how unchristian the UK is now No, it would take a lot more than that to surprise me in my world-weary old age. But if you told me they hadn’t heard of Jesus, yeah, that would probably do it. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foreigner-pretending-to-be-christian/624977/33 "2012-06-14T15:01:25Z")
> [@hogarth](#): > > I’m not an expert on Chinese culture by any means, and naturally there’s a wide spectrum of people and attitudes in China, but… > > From my experience, it’s considered polite to tell someone what they want to hear, even if that’s a white lie. So by saying “yes, I’m a Christian”, I suspect she was just trying to be agreeable to her host, and then when she was put on the spot about fibbing, she came up with an explanation (real or imagined, I couldn’t say). > [@furt](#): > > Ditto. People’s relationship with their religion is different in many asian counties; to them, fibbing about your religion to make someone else more comfortable is not altogether different from saying “Oh, yeah, I love that band, too.” > [@TokyoPlayer](#): > > So to use the organization, the person doesn’t have to be Christian, but since it is a Christian group helping out, then the mother probably told the daughter to say she was Christian. I don’t know anything about Chinese people but these answers are how I interpreted the situation. ---
**Author:** ![Namkcalb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c89c15/32.png) [@Namkcalb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Namkcalb)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foreigner-pretending-to-be-christian/624977/34 "2012-06-16T02:04:30Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > But if you told me they hadn’t heard of Jesus, yeah, that would probably do it. Many people don’t know Jesus as the nativity baby and the dude on the cross, but they don’t know the supposed significance of the resurrection. Besides, back to the OP, the girl didn’t know the English name of Jesus, the Chinese name is rather different; _Yesu_, pronounced Yeah-Sue. I’m prettay sure most English don’t know who the hay is Yesu [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foreigner-pretending-to-be-christian/624977.md?page=1)