# Forget Trump: Impeach Mitch McConnell **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 31, 2019, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833 "2019-05-31T15:32:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833/41 "2019-06-01T22:01:34Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > What, you want McConnell to be responsible for his own actions? (Or in the case of Garland, inaction.) There has to be a Democrat responsible for the Republican, see? The Turtle is still butt-hurt (a term that I actually cannot stand, but in reference to evil scumbags like Mitch McConnell, I’ll use it) over Robert Bork not being confirmed for the S.C. back in the late '80s. Kinda like how evil Dick Cheney never got over how Republicans were “treated” back during Watergate. Funny how Republicans like to use ridiculous terms like “snowflake” when referring to Democrats (and other people) who simply didn’t want an ignorant, stupid, narcissistic a-hole with “daddy issues” in the W.H. but THEY’RE the ones who never seem to be able let anything go when they think they’ve been “wronged.” Interesting, that. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833/42 "2019-06-01T22:07:10Z")
> [@racepug](#): > > The Turtle is still butt-hurt (a term that I actually cannot stand, but in reference to evil scumbags like Mitch McConnell, I’ll use it) over Robert Bork not being confirmed for the S.C. back in the late '80s. Kinda like how evil Dick Cheney never got over how Republicans were “treated” back during Watergate. Funny how Republicans like to use ridiculous terms like “snowflake” when referring to Democrats (and other people) who simply didn’t want an ignorant, stupid, narcissistic a-hole with “daddy issues” in the W.H. but THEY’RE the ones who never seem to be able let anything go when they think they’ve been “wronged.” Interesting, that. And Bork was actually considered – hearings and a vote. Voting down a nominee isn’t remotely comparable to not even holding hearings. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833/43 "2019-06-01T22:16:24Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > It’s nowhere as straightforward as you make it out to be. Here’s what the official Senate history page has to say: It’s really interesting that in 1797 and 1798 – only a decade after the document was written – there was obvious uncertainty as to the meaning of something as basic as the impeachment process. Both the House and the Senate had to debate whether a Senator could be impeached, and they wound up in effect disagreeing on the matter, while apparently not coming to a clear conclusion in the Senate. Constitutional originalism in the 21st century? Even while most of the signers were still alive, people weren’t clear on what it meant! ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833/44 "2019-06-01T22:18:52Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > And Bork was actually considered – hearings and a vote. Voting down a nominee isn’t remotely comparable to not even holding hearings. Couldn’t agree more. I have absolutely NOTHING positive to say about “The Turtle” from Kentucky. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833/45 "2019-06-02T01:40:35Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > First of all, it’s obvious that “no one in the Senate steps one millimeter away from the party line” is silly hyperbole. For just one example, the [late Senator McCain killed the ObamaCare skinny repeal when he broke with the party line and voted with the Democrats](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/25/17782664/john-mccain-legacy-obamacare-repeal-thumbs-down). He was dying at that point and knew it so there was really nothing that the Turtle could do to him and he wouldn’t be facing any more elections. FiveThirtyEight says McCain voted for tRump positions 83% of the time. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833/46 "2019-06-02T02:14:21Z")
> [@racepug](#): > > … but THEY’RE the ones who never seem to be able let anything go when they think they’ve been “wronged.” Interesting, that. You chose to post this in a thread whining about how Senator McConnell has wronged Dems? Interesting, that. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833/47 "2019-06-02T02:16:44Z")
Yes, **HurricaneDitka** , there’s such a thing as objective reality, and it’s possible for one party to agree with it, and the other to disagree with it. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833/48 "2019-06-02T03:16:21Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Yes, **HurricaneDitka** , there’s such a thing as objective reality, and it’s possible for one party to agree with it, and the other to disagree with it. You think the Dems have a a lock on objective reality? LOL! > [@NYT](#): > > [… since the election, there has been a noticeable increase in the flow of dubious and unsupported claims among liberals.](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/upshot/why-more-democrats-are-now-embracing-conspiracy-theories.html) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833/49 "2019-06-02T03:57:11Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > You think the Dems have a a lock on objective reality? LOL! I’m sure you can point at many of the regular and most recognized liberals or dems in the dope as falling for that uh? Incidentally, Snopes has been accused many times of being a leftist rag because it debunks many right wing conspiracies but it is not usually called the other way around when it does shot down liberal conspiracies. On the contrary, guys like me are glad that those conspiracies are being shot down regardless if they are in favor of the left. More recent research that I saw (noted in previous SDMB discussions) the researches noted that yes, people on the right and the left can fall for conspiracies; but as a fake news maker from 2016 reported, it was harder to make conspiracies stick on the left for the simple reason that more people from the left make an effort to debunk them. BTW that bit of news you linked to came from early in the Trump presidency, I have to say that many old conspiracies are still being marinated in the right wing bowl. As in, it is very hard to debunk old tripe when the leaders of the right are the ones remaking them constantly or continuing to distribute them far and wide. > **[Right-wing media defaults to ludicrous conspiracy theory to debunk climate...](https://www.salon.com/2018/11/27/science-is-fake-right-wing-media-defaults-to-conspiracy-theory-to-debunk-climate-report/)** > > There really is a conspiracy to deceive the public about climate change — but it's not coming from the left > [@](#): > > Unfortunately, the “both sides” strategy that cable news networks employ meant that this climate-change denialists — who still control the majority of Republican messaging on this issue — got plenty of airtime. Most of them, seeking to explain how the entirety of the scientific establishment might somehow know less about this issue than conservative pundits who couldn’t pass an eighth-grade math quiz, resorted to a conspiracy theory. > > Here’s how this one “works”: The entire worldwide establishment, these pundits argue, is involved in a massive conspiracy, funded by shadowy but apparently infinitely wealthy figures, to perpetuate the climate hoax on the world, for unclear reasons. > > “We have created a climate-change industrial complex in this country, with billions and billions and billions of dollars at stake,” right-wing pundit Stephen Moore claimed on CNN. “A lot of people are getting really, really, really rich off the climate-change issue.” > > “The report is nothing more than a rehash of age-old 10- to 20-year assumptions made by scientists that get paid to further the politics of global warming,” former congressman and convicted criminal Tom DeLay claimed during another CNN segment, insinuating but not quite articulating exactly how scientists benefit from perpetuating this supposed hoax. > > “The reality is that a lot of these scientists are driven by the money that they receive," Rick Santorum argued on another segment. > > It’s irresponsible of CNN to invite these climate change denialists on to spread conspiracy theories, but that error is compounded by the failure of supposed journalists to follow up on these preposterous claims. Right-wingers are not asked why not a single person has blown the whistle on this conspiracy that, at this point, would require the cooperation of hundreds of thousands of people. Nor are they asked about the alleged motivations of these supposed funders, or who they are. Such follow-up questions might help show viewers that it’s preposterous to believe that such a conspiracy is possible, much less to believe it’s actually happening. > > There is, in fact, an actual climate-change hoax conspiracy. But it’s not being run by the left. It’s being run by the right, which has a well-orchestrated and very well-funded widespread conspiracy to lie to the public, minimizing the reality of climate change and defaming the scientists who research it. These pundits are, in almost comically straightforward fashion, simply accusing the left of doing what they’re doing, which is taking rich people’s money to lie to the public. > **[24 outlandish conspiracy theories Donald Trump has floated over the years](https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-conspiracy-theories-2016-5)** > > Trump retweeted a video with a baseless claim that former President Bill Clinton and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton killed Jeffrey Epstein. > [@](#): > > 19 outlandish conspiracy theories Donald Trump has floated on the campaign trail and in the White House ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833/50 "2019-06-02T04:01:34Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > … More recent research that I saw (noted in previous SDMB discussions) the researches noted that yes, people on the right and the left can fall for conspiracies; … It sounds like you agree with me and disagree with **Chronos**. Am I understanding your position correctly? ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833/51 "2019-06-02T04:06:43Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > You chose to post this in a thread whining about how Senator McConnell has wronged Dems? Interesting, that. I knew you’d comment on one of my posts sooner or later even though I haven’t directly commented on one of yours in the past (and with good reason as I generally feel that you’re beneath any comments by me). Shame you couldn’t just keep whatever misguided thoughts (if “thoughts” is what you really to call them) you had on this to yourself. Also, too bad you’re W-R-O-N-G, as usual (being a conservative it must SUCK for you to have that be your normal circumstance). So tell me - tell us ALL, Mr. Conservative - how do you rationalize The Turtle refusing to grant Merrick Garland ANY audience at all in 2016 but now stating (in that idiotic Kentucky accent of his) that he’s perfectly fine with S.C. nominations and confirmations next election year, hm? Oh, and by the way, Mr. Republican (it must have to suck SO BADLY for you to have go through life labeled as such) - please explain to us ALL (IF you’re able to do so - which I have my doubts about) how it is you can come on here and whine about my concerns when what The Turtle did in 2016 is ABSOLUTELY wrong (you don’t think so? Then let’s see what you have to say if and when Democrats ever try to pull that little stunt in an election year, hm?) while what the likes of Dick Cheney and The Turtle had to “endure” was perfectly fine AND deserved, hm? Oh, I know you’ll try to rationalize all of this in the usual (non-sensical) Republican way, but, as always, you’ll be DEAD WRONG. ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833/52 "2019-06-02T04:09:07Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > You think the Dems have a a lock on objective reality? LOL! Maybe not, but they’re a LOT closer to it than Republicans/conservatives are, ever have been, or ever will be. Nothing YOU state (ESPECIALLY anything YOU state) will EVER change that. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833/53 "2019-06-02T04:10:43Z")
> [@racepug](#): > > Maybe not, but they’re a LOT closer to it than Republicans/conservatives are, ever have been, or ever will be. Nothing YOU state (ESPECIALLY anything YOU state) will EVER change that. Ease off the caps lock there, buddy. Looks like another vote for “ **Chronos** is wrong”. I think I’ll start keeping a tally. ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833/54 "2019-06-02T04:13:12Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Ease off the caps lock there, buddy. > > Looks like another vote for “ **Chronos** is wrong”. I think I’ll start keeping a tally. Or what, tough guy? As usual, you have nothing REAL to argue with ('course, that’s pretty much the “standard situation” for conservatives, isn’t it? Don’t bother answering - I already know the correct response). No wonder someone started a “BBQ Pit” thread all about YOU. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833/55 "2019-06-02T04:19:09Z")
> [@racepug](#): > > I knew you’d comment on one of my posts sooner or later even though I haven’t directly commented on one of yours in the past (and with good reason as I generally feel that you’re beneath any comments by me). Shame you couldn’t just keep whatever misguided thoughts (if “thoughts” is what you really to call them) you had on this to yourself. Also, too bad you’re W-R-O-N-G, as usual (being a conservative it must SUCK for you to have that be your normal circumstance). So tell me - tell us ALL, Mr. Conservative - how do you rationalize The Turtle refusing to grant Merrick Garland ANY audience at all in 2016 but now stating (in that idiotic Kentucky accent of his) that he’s perfectly fine with S.C. nominations and confirmations next election year, hm? Oh, and by the way, Mr. Republican (it must have to suck SO BADLY for you to have go through life labeled as such) - please explain to us ALL (IF you’re able to do so - which I have my doubts about) how it is you can come on here and whine about my concerns when what The Turtle did in 2016 is ABSOLUTELY wrong (you don’t think so? Then let’s see what you have to say if and when Democrats ever try to pull that little stunt in an election year, hm?) while what the likes of Dick Cheney and The Turtle had to “endure” was perfectly fine AND deserved, hm? Oh, I know you’ll try to rationalize all of this in the usual (non-sensical) Republican way, but, as always, you’ll be DEAD WRONG. And WTF is this nonsense? Senator McConnell already explained the key difference between 2016 and a hypothetical SCOTUS vacancy in 2020: in the former, a different party controlled the Senate and the White House. In the latter, that isn’t likely to be the case. I fully expect that Dems will refuse to confirm nominees by Republican presidents if they win back control of the Senate. [They were already well on their way to this back during President George W. Bush’s administration](https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/02/16/chuck-schumer-supreme-court-nomination-president-sot-erin.cnn/video/playlists/supreme-court-justice-antonin-scalia-dead/). ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833/56 "2019-06-02T04:25:01Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > And WTF is this nonsense? Senator McConnell already explained the key difference between 2016 and a hypothetical SCOTUS vacancy in 2020: in the former, a different party controlled the Senate and the White House. In the latter, that isn’t likely to be the case. **I fully expect that Dems will refuse to fill nominations by Republican presidents if they win back control of the Senate.** [They were already well on their way to this back during President George W. Bush’s administration](https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/02/16/chuck-schumer-supreme-court-nomination-president-sot-erin.cnn/video/playlists/supreme-court-justice-antonin-scalia-dead/). I’d say that’s a pretty good bet. But I’d also bet that they’ll at least give those nominees a hearing. Democrats aren’t flawless, but they’re not NEARLY as underhanded and conniving as Republicans, on the whole, are. On the other hand, when all Republicans care about is stuffing courts with right-leaning jurists and couldn’t care less about putting somebody competent or honest in the W.H. that pretty much tells any even-handed and _thinking_ person all he or she needs to know about “The Party of Lincoln” (I’m pretty sure that if Abraham Lincoln were alive today he would go right onto the FOX Right Wing Propaganda Machine and tell conservatives to STOP using that nickname for that particular political party) ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833/57 "2019-06-02T04:31:42Z")
> [@racepug](#): > > I’d say that’s a pretty good bet. But I’d also bet that they’ll at least give those nominees a hearing. … I don’t share your confidence, but anyways, let’s pretend you’re right for a moment, and they do intend to hold hearings on nominees before virtually all of them vote against the nominee. Why do you see that sham hearing as an improvement over Senator McConnell’s decision to forego the dog and pony show? It’s not like there are many senators who go into the hearings undecided about how they’re going to vote. It was clear even before Trump’s nominees were _named_ that they’d be getting “no” votes from almost every Dem. I can’t even guess who the next Republican President is going to be, but I’m confident that the vast majority of Dems will vote against his SCOTUS nominees. What value add is there with them putting on a charade of a hearing? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833/58 "2019-06-02T04:41:21Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > It sounds like you agree with me and disagree with **Chronos**. Am I understanding your position correctly? It seems that nuanced positions are hard to understand. 🙂 If confronted with two mine fields and we know that one has a 30% chance to be deadly vs the second one that has more mines so as to have the chance of being 70% deadly, will you say that the ones deciding to go through the first field are just as correct as the ones going through the second field? So, I’m closer to Chronos, and farther away from your choice of following the ones that are increasing the number of mines in their field. [https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/27/anti-vaccine-republican-mainstream-1344955](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/27/anti-vaccine-republican-mainstream-1344955) > [@](#): > > The anti-vaccine movement, which swelled with discredited theories that blamed vaccines for autism and other ills, has morphed and grown into a libertarian political rebellion that is drawing in state Republican officials who distrust government medical mandates. > > Anti-vaccine sentiments are as old as vaccines themselves — and it’s been nearly 300 years since smallpox immunization began in what is now the United States. Liberal enclaves from Boulder, Colo., to Marin County, Calif., have long been pockets of vaccine skepticism. But the current measles epidemic, with more than 880 cases reported across 25 states of a disease declared eradicated in the U.S. 19 years ago, shows it gaining power within the GOP mainstream. > > What’s new about the current anti-vaccine movement is the argument that government has no right to force parents to vaccinate their kids before they enter school. While Trump administration health officials and most Republicans in Congress still back mandatory vaccination, opposition is gaining steam among Republicans in state legislatures. > [@](#): > > But in states where legislators have advanced serious efforts to tighten restrictions, such as Maine, Washington, Colorado and Oregon, nearly all of the opponents are Republicans who’ve taken a medical freedom stance. > > “The more they dig into it being about freedom, the more susceptible they become to the theories,” said Dave Gorski, a Michigan physician who has tracked the anti-vaccine movement for two decades. \*\*“Appeals to freedom are like the gateway drug to pseudoscience.” > \*\* > At the extremes are legislators like Jonathan Stickland, a pro-National Rifle Association, Christian conservative in the Texas Legislature, who has described vaccines as “sorcery” while personally attacking Baylor College of Medicine scientist Peter Hotez, who has a daughter with autism and works on vaccines for neglected tropical diseases. “Parental rights mean more to us than your self-enriching ‘science,’" Stickland tweeted at Hotez earlier this month. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833/59 "2019-06-02T04:48:00Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > It seems that nuanced positions are hard to understand. 🙂 > > If confronted with two mine fields and we know that one has a 30% chance to be deadly vs the second one that has more mines so as to have the chance of being 70% deadly, will you say that the ones deciding to go through the first field are just as correct as the ones going through the second field? > > So, I’m closer to Chronos, and farther away from your choice of following the ones that are increasing the number of mines in their field. > > [https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/27/anti-vaccine-republican-mainstream-1344955](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/27/anti-vaccine-republican-mainstream-1344955) I’m well aware that you see Chronos as a political ally and me as a political foe. In this case, I don’t think that’s terribly relevant though. My rebuttal to Chronos is that there are mines in both fields. It sounds like you agree with that, but **Chronos** does not. Before moving on to the debate about how many mines are in each field, and what should count as a mine and what shouldn’t, I want to make sure we’ve established the objective reality that neither field is free of mines. That was the (analogous) claim that Chronos was making: “there’s such a thing as objective reality, and it’s possible for one party to agree with it, and the other to disagree with it.” ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833/60 "2019-06-02T05:36:52Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’m well aware that you see Chronos as a political ally and me as a political foe. In this case, I don’t think that’s terribly relevant though. My rebuttal to Chronos is that there are mines in both fields. It sounds like you agree with that, but **Chronos** does not. Again, it seems that you think that noticing that allows one to claim that the mine fields should be considered as the same. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Before moving on to the debate about how many mines are in each field, and what should count as a mine and what shouldn’t, I want to make sure we’ve established the objective reality that neither field is free of mines. That was the (analogous) claim that Chronos was making: “there’s such a thing as objective reality, and it’s possible for one party to agree with it, and the other to disagree with it.” And the mine field analogue to that is that if 2 army groups have to reach their goal in a determined amount of time, then trying to convince a commander that both groups will reach their goal at the same time with the same resources will not be amusing to him. In practical terms the field with the less mines is the preferred option. And in many occasions, when all is done, the sappers could say that the first minefield was the peach assignment. Objectively the best option. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forget-trump-impeach-mitch-mcconnell/834833.md?page=4)