# Fork 5 - Fork Hillary. Fork her and all her flying monkeys. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 4, 2008, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725 "2008-06-04T05:58:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e95f7d/32.png) [@holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/holmes)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725/41 "2008-06-04T14:38:49Z")
The problem is, she may take it. That was the mistake that Kennedy did with LBJ. They figured he would say no, but he accepted it. You can’t trust her to do the right thing. ---
**Author:** ![Burton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Burton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Burton)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725/42 "2008-06-04T14:41:44Z")
I can’t see much good in having HRC as part of Obama’s administration although I expect the Republican’s wouldn’t feel too good if she were attorney general. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725/43 "2008-06-04T14:41:47Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] And now, she fancies herself to be the Generalissimo of an army that will bend to her whim. [/QUOTE] [Chevy Chase] This just in: Generalissimo Hillary Clinton’s campaign is _still_ dead. [/Chevy Chase] ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725/44 "2008-06-04T14:42:32Z")
[QUOTE=holmes] But they don’t and allow her supporters to believe she’s gotten the shaft. [/QUOTE] If they had brains, they would have emerged from the bunker last night where she had them out of communciation with the world, and having found out after her speech that Obama won, they would have realized that they had just bought snake oil. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725/45 "2008-06-04T14:42:45Z")
[QUOTE=holmes] The problem is, she may take it. That was the mistake that Kennedy did with LBJ. They figured he would say no, but he accepted it. [/QUOTE] That’s exactly the analogy I was going to make with the “Offer it to her, she’ll refuse, everyone’s happy” scenario. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725/46 "2008-06-04T14:43:57Z")
[QUOTE=Burton] I can’t see much good in having HRC as part of Obama’s administration although I expect the Republican’s wouldn’t feel too good if she were attorney general. [/QUOTE] I don’t trust her to start digging into the last 7ish years…she’s too close with the corporations and lobbyists that benefited so much from the Bush administration. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725/47 "2008-06-04T14:44:35Z")
From The Huffington Post: > [@](#): > > On CNN’s election night coverage Tuesday, political analyst Jeffrey Toobin called Hillary Clinton’s refusal to concede the election “deranged narcissism.” [Watch Toobin below:](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/03/jeffrey-toobin-clintons-r_n_105051.html) ---
**Author:** ![burundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ec8ea/32.png) [@burundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burundi)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725/48 "2008-06-04T14:46:25Z")
[QUOTE=olivesmarch4th] And I believe she would be okay in a subordinate position to Obama. She really wants the Democratic nomination, but at some point she will accept that she doesn’t have it, and I think she will ultimately do whatever necessary to implement the ideas she believes in, even if it means taking orders. Besides, if she’s VP now, that gives her more ammunition to run for President again in the future. [/QUOTE] I’d be very disappointed if he offered her the VP slot. At the beginning of the primary season, I thought it would be okay. But the way she’s run her campaign over the past few months have convinced me that it’s a bad, bad idea. For one thing, there’s no way to get Hillary without getting Bill. Do you really see him keeping his mouth shut and staying out of the spotlight if his wife is VP? For another thing, Obama’s whole campaign is based around the idea of change. Democrats, Republicans and independents of all demographics have indicated that they’re sick of business as usual. The Clintons represent nothing if not business as usual. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725/49 "2008-06-04T14:52:31Z")
This part of the speech was particularly jarring: > [@](#): > > You have voted because you wanted to take back the White House. And because of you we won, together, the swing states necessary to get to 270 electoral votes. I don’t see how on earth she can think her campaign is still alive, but that little snippet is just crazy. She’s still going on about the swing states as if the delegate count was some peripheral issue. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725/50 "2008-06-04T14:55:50Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] I don’t see how on earth she can think her campaign is still alive, but that little snippet is just crazy. She’s still going on about the swing states as if the delegate count was some peripheral issue. [/QUOTE] To her it is. In her mind this was a general election, and she won it, dammit! The woman must have **no part** in the Obama administration. None whatsoever. Give her a prime time speech at the convention, keep your finger on the mike cut-off, and let’s be done with it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725/51 "2008-06-04T15:01:45Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] The woman must have **no part** in the Obama administration. [/QUOTE] Great minds think alike. [I just posted this in another thread.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9870086&postcount=90)🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725/52 "2008-06-04T15:04:53Z")
Do we think this has easily gone up the Obama campaign ladder and we shouldn’t worry about it? Are we worrying for no reason? Does anyone think with the kind of campaign Obama has run and the ass Clinton has made of herself, that he will offer the spot? I don’t. And I will second, third, fourth whatever that Clinton can have no part in the Obama administration. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Buttons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@Mr\_Buttons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Buttons)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725/53 "2008-06-04T15:08:17Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] It’s interesting who so many people see Obama’s campaign as fair, honest, clever and organized and, conversely, so many people see it the opposite. Are people who are in the ex-candidates school of thought really that misaligned? She’s not going to run as an independant. [/QUOTE] The only reason she isn’t going to run as an independant is because there isn’t enough time to register(I hope). It wouldn’t surprise me at all to hear that she wants to go into the general election and try it over again. Ya know, have a do-over in all 50 states. ---
**Author:** ![Figaro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ea666f/32.png) [@Figaro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Figaro)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725/54 "2008-06-04T15:14:15Z")
John McCain showed a whiff of strategic intelligence last night when he opened his speech in New Orleans by praising Hillary Clinton – who was busy congratulating herself on winning the election she has now officially lost and showing no respect to the real democratic candidate – for her many fine qualities and great campaign and then launched into a relentless series of strawman attacks against Obama. She has officially served the Republicans a steaming plate of campaign comfort food, especially if they manage to paint her as the candidate who should have won. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725/55 "2008-06-04T15:15:45Z")
I think she just kinda/sorta acknowledged that Obama was the nominee and endorsed him during her AIPAC speech. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725/56 "2008-06-04T15:18:29Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I think she just kinda/sorta acknowledged that Obama was the nominee and endorsed him during her AIPAC speech. [/QUOTE] Got a linky? Or did it _just_ happen? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725/57 "2008-06-04T15:24:19Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] Got a linky? Or did it _just_ happen? [/QUOTE] Just watched it live. She was talking about Israel (AIPAC is a pro-Israeli lobby) and saying that the next Prez had to to be a Dem and then said “I know that Senator Obama will be a friend to Israel…he shares my views…” It seemed like a tacit acknowledement that he was the nom. ---
**Author:** ![Purgatory\_Creek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/74df32/32.png) [@Purgatory\_Creek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Purgatory_Creek)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725/58 "2008-06-04T15:25:44Z")
A point to consider is that if she is the VP candidate and she and Obama win, he could always stash her wherever it is Cheney goes when something scary happens, and we’d never have to see her cheesy “smile” again. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725/59 "2008-06-04T15:34:04Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Just watched it live. She was talking about Israel (AIPAC is a pro-Israeli lobby) and saying that the next Prez had to to be a Dem and then said “I know that Senator Obama will be a friend to Israel…he shares my views…” It seemed like a tacit acknowledement that he was the nom. [/QUOTE] Something of a [link right here](http://elections.jta.org/2008/06/04/378/hillary-clinton-live/). It’s someone doing a running recap of the speech. This from 11:13: > [@](#): > > 11:13 We need a Democrat in the White House. > > 11:13 “I know Senator Obama knows what is at stake here… Let me be very clear: I know Senator Obama will be a good friend to Israel.” (Sounds like she’s already conceded.) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725/60 "2008-06-04T15:34:42Z")
[QUOTE=Purgatory Creek] A point to consider is that if she is the VP candidate and she and Obama win, he could always stash her wherever it is Cheney goes when something scary happens, and we’d never have to see her cheesy “smile” again. [/QUOTE] No. She and Bill would claw their way into the spotlight. And the press would be there licking up every word. There is no way he could keep them down. Perhaps he could send them to the M.E. and tell them they couldn’t come back until the Israelis and Palestinians made peace. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-5-fork-hillary-fork-her-and-all-her-flying-monkeys/451725.md?page=4)