# Fork Hillary 3: The Final Forking **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 18, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726 "2008-03-18T00:01:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 103
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2041 "2008-05-29T18:05:48Z")
[QUOTE=ArchiveGuy] And in the meantime, you might get a kick out of this: [Young Hillary Clinton](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG1LLTYkn4I). 😃 [/QUOTE] Man, that was too funny! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2042 "2008-05-29T18:10:50Z")
[QUOTE=Gangster Octopus] Some are simply voting in line with however their district voted. [/QUOTE] Unfortunately, the thinking-impaired super who came out for Clinton today is Eileen Macoll, vice chairwoman of the Washington State Democratic Party. [Link](http://www.tri-cityherald.com/944/story/197547.html). Washington State of course overwhelming went for Obama in its caucuses, as did Whitman County, where Ms. Macoll lives. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2043 "2008-05-29T18:14:28Z")
[QUOTE=Onomatopoeia] Man, that was too funny! 🙂 [/QUOTE] Agreed. Although the last scene was a direct satire of the current situation, it was nice touch to have the part of Juliet given to a girl named Michelle by a black teacher. They missed a seriously golden opportunity by not having Hillary’s criticism of Barack in the last scene be “But he has seriously bad morning breath.”\* - A candid Michelle Obama comment. ---
**Author:** ![Merkwurdigliebe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/74df32/32.png) [@Merkwurdigliebe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merkwurdigliebe)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2044 "2008-05-29T18:27:49Z")
Honestly, I wish Florida and Michigan had had a do-over. Al Giordano at the Field had a VERY interesting idea though. Seat the Florida and Michigan delegates at full strength and strip the superdelegates of half their votes. I say, even better, take away all superdelegate votes in Florida and MI. Why? Because for one, it will no longer be possible to argue that the votes weren’t counted. Number two, it punishes those who were actually responsible for the mishap. I really wish this is what would happen, but I really have my doubts that it will. I definitely believe that the superdelegates should be punished more though. So if it’s half-strenth then zero superdelegate votes. They’re the ones to blame for this mess. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2045 "2008-05-29T18:29:21Z")
The tide is turning for Clinton! She just got [Ricky Martin’s endorsement](http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/05/29/martin/index.html). She is “Living la Vida Loca” (though it’s a less flattering kind of crazy). ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2046 "2008-05-29T18:31:05Z")
[QUOTE=ArchiveGuy] She just got [Ricky Martin’s endorsement](http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/05/29/martin/index.html). She is “Living la Vida Loca” (though it’s a less flattering kind of crazy). [/QUOTE] Ricky who? (Site seems to require registration.) ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2047 "2008-05-29T18:44:59Z")
[QUOTE=ArchiveGuy] The tide is turning for Clinton! She just got [Ricky Martin’s endorsement](http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/05/29/martin/index.html). [/QUOTE] Thereby proving that she’s still living in the 90s. Does a former Menudite really garner that much attention, even in PR? I’d think cast-off segments of the Menudo-worm would be pretty thick on the ground there by this point… ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2048 "2008-05-29T18:50:43Z")
[QUOTE=5-4-Fighting] Ricky who? (Site seems to require registration.) [/QUOTE] [Is he that much of a has-been already?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Martin) ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2049 "2008-05-29T18:51:02Z")
[QUOTE=ArchiveGuy] The tide is turning for Clinton! She just got [Ricky Martin’s endorsement](http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/05/29/martin/index.html). [/QUOTE] So her introductory fanfare will be a rickroll? 😛😛 ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2050 "2008-05-29T19:00:43Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] [Is he that much of a has-been already?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Martin) [/QUOTE] I was kidding. Sort of. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2051 "2008-05-29T19:23:35Z")
Interesting find by Andrea Mitchell of MSNBC… Bill Clinton has been bellyaching recently about how everybody’s trying to push Hillary out before anybody’s even clinched the necessary votes, and how that sort of “bullying” has never happened before. Well, here’s a quote from May 6, 1988, when Dukakis had a majority of votes, but not yet enough to win, and Jesse Jackson was still campaigning full-force. “Governor Dukakis has emerged as the voter’s choice, the clear leader in the Democratic contest. It is time for the party leadership to line up behind him.” — Bill Clinton ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2052 "2008-05-29T19:28:28Z")
Note: Chuck Todd reports that his sources tell him that Obama has an “operational majority” on the rules committee, and that the most likely scenario to emerge will be Scenario #4. In that case, Obama will need 95 votes and Hillary will need 246.5, with 328.5 remaining after the Saturday meeting and a day before Puerto Rico. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2053 "2008-05-29T19:42:15Z")
Who’s Chuck Todd? Where’d you find that? ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2054 "2008-05-29T19:42:26Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Note: Chuck Todd reports that his sources tell him that Obama has an “operational majority” on the rules committee, and that the most likely scenario to emerge will be Scenario #4. In that case, Obama will need 95 votes and Hillary will need 246.5, with 328.5 remaining after the Saturday meeting and a day before Puerto Rico. [/QUOTE] What do you mean by “operational majority”? Are more members on the rules committee Obama supporters? ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2055 "2008-05-29T19:44:34Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] Who’s Chuck Todd? Where’d you find that? [/QUOTE] Chuck Todd is the Political Director for NBC and MSNBC News. He’s also a frequent talking head (no offense intended) on many news shows and panels and is quite articulate and well-spoken, with a firm grasp of the math, in all its permutations, concerning this primary season. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2056 "2008-05-29T19:47:18Z")
[QUOTE=Lakai] What do you mean by “operational majority”? Are more members on the rules committee Obama supporters? [/QUOTE] Yes, though not all are officially yet declared. In other news, Hillary has decided to bus in protesters for the meeting, much in the manner that Republicans bussed in protesters during the 2000 recounts in Florida. Obama has urged his people to refrain from creating such a tasteless spectacle. (Thanks for the assist, **5-4-Fighting** ) ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2057 "2008-05-29T19:51:02Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] In other news, Hillary has decided to bus in protesters for the meeting… [/QUOTE] This still cracks me up. She’s already planning a protest, and they haven’t even made their decision yet. Priceless. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2058 "2008-05-29T20:09:02Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] This still cracks me up. She’s already planning a protest, and they haven’t even made their decision yet. Priceless. [/QUOTE] It’s not a protest. It’s an intimidation, very much in the vein of the “Brooks Brothers Riot” in Florida in 2000. What she hopes to gain by trying to intimidate superdelegates (which is what the RBC consists of) I have no idea, but then her entire game plan since Indiana has been pretty much incomprehensible to me. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2059 "2008-05-29T20:12:14Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] It’s not a protest. It’s an intimidation, very much in the vein of the “Brooks Brothers Riot” in Florida in 2000. What she hopes to gain by trying to intimidate superdelegates (which is what the RBC consists of) I have no idea, but then her entire game plan since Indiana has been pretty much incomprehensible to me. [/QUOTE] Indiana? :dubious: You misspelled Iowa. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2060 "2008-05-29T20:18:16Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] Indiana? :dubious: You misspelled Iowa. 🆒 [/QUOTE] I’m not going to go that far back. I don’t count gaffes, offensive memes and general stupidities as incomprehensible. Those are just dumb. I do count having everyone looking at the same math and deciding that it actually favors her incomprehensible. I do count threatening the party itself incomprehensible. And I do count trying her darnedest to tick off the people she’s hoping to lure to her side incomprehensible. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=102) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=104)