# Fork Hillary 3: The Final Forking

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726>\
**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [March 18, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726 "2008-03-18T00:01:36Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![tds1273](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df705f/32.png) [@tds1273](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tds1273)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2441 "2008-06-03T19:30:36Z")

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[QUOTE=BobLibDem]  
No! Give me Norah O’Donnell!  
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Ooph.

It would be fine if Press Secretary only involved reading off exit poll numbers, but I’m going to have to disagree with you on this one. And strictly personally speaking I don’t find her all that easy on the eyes(not bad, just not for me); so no go there either. If I were to pick on that point, I’d have to nominate Elizabeth Kucinich.

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**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2442 "2008-06-03T19:35:00Z")

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[QUOTE=tds1273]  
Thank you for this!

I noticed Obama gave her subtle recognition durring his press conference on Saturday. Then she was on MSNBC for the PR primaries, made a good showing and was praised by both Matthews and Olbermann.  
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Matthews and Olberman had extremely high praise for her. I wish I could find that interview and their closing comments online somewhere – it was awesome.

> [@tds1273](#):
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> As for other MSNBC contributers, is there somewhere we can petition Obama to have Rachel Maddow be his Press Sec.? I’d love to see that happen.

Rachel Maddow ROCKS! Love her!

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**Author:** ![Flipshod](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f19dbf/32.png) [@Flipshod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flipshod)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2443 "2008-06-03T19:37:07Z")

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[QUOTE=Shayna]  
…Rachel Maddow ROCKS! Love her!  
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She’s Dee Dee Myers with a sharp mind and less makeup.🙂

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**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2444 "2008-06-03T19:37:08Z")

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Oh, Jesus. Hillary has indicated that she’d be willing to be Obama’s veep.

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**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2445 "2008-06-03T19:38:06Z")

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[QUOTE=EddyTeddyFreddy]

LINK?!?

**WOOT!!!**  
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[http://www.live5news.com/Global/story.asp?S=8418707](http://www.live5news.com/Global/story.asp?S=8418707)

😃 😃 😃

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**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2446 "2008-06-03T19:38:12Z")

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[QUOTE=EddyTeddyFreddy]  
LINK?!?

**WOOT!!!**  
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(About Carter endorsing Obama)

I’m watching live news, sorry. ☹ I’d have to Google for a link.

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**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2447 "2008-06-03T19:38:14Z")

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[QUOTE=Marley23]  
It unfolded in slow-motion, but this was a historic upset. I’m struggling to think of a sports comparison. NC State-Houston? Villanova-Georgetown?  
[/QUOTE]  
Why limit yourself to sports?

Ripley vs. the Alien?

Someone needs totake the role of Hudson and say to Isakoff “Hey, maybe you haven’t been keeping up on current events, but we just got our asses kicked, pal!”

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**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2448 "2008-06-03T19:41:04Z")

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[QUOTE=Fear Itself]  
NPR just interviewed a New York superdelegate who announced for Clinton. I didn’t catch the name, but she was a Democratic committee official from the only district in New York that supported Obama.

ETA: Ah, [here it is](http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--clinton-superdele0602jun02,0,3024029.story): Irene Stein of Ithaca, chairwoman of the Tompkins County Democratic Committee.  
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Yeah, but her endorsement was yesterday.

> **[Newsday | Long Island's & NYC's News Source](https://www.newsday.com)**
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> Breaking News, data & opinions in business, sports, entertainment, travel, lifestyle, plus much more. Newsday.com is the leading news source for Long Island & NYC.

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**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2449 "2008-06-03T19:42:08Z")

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[QUOTE=Liberal]  
Oh, Jesus. Hillary has indicated that she’d be willing to be Obama’s veep.  
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And bargaining is only the [3rd stage of grief](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model). Hopefully, she’ll at least make it to depression before the day is out.

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**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2450 "2008-06-03T19:42:42Z")

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[QUOTE=NurseCarmen]  
Why limit yourself to sports?

Ripley vs. the Alien?

Someone needs totake the role of Hudson and say to Isakoff “Hey, maybe you haven’t been keeping up on current events, but we just got our asses kicked, pal!”  
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Also apropos: \<Hudson\> That’s it man, game over man, game over! \</Hudson\>

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**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2451 "2008-06-03T19:51:56Z")

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[You know, we joke about Hillary being unstoppable](http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/clinton-campaign-confronts-ap-report/) but come on!

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**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2452 "2008-06-03T19:52:08Z")

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[Clinton says she’s open to being Obama’s VP](http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D912PS580&show_article=1)

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> WASHINGTON (AP) - Hillary Rodham Clinton has told congressional colleagues she would be open to becoming Barack Obama’s vice presidential nominee, saying she would consider it if it would help Democrats win the White House.
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> Clinton, a New York senator, made the comment on a conference call with other New York lawmakers Tuesday, according a participant on the call.
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> The senator’s remarks came in response to a question from Democratic Rep. Nydia Velazquez who said she believed the best way for Obama to win over key voting blocs, including Hispanics, would be for him to choose Clinton as his running mate.
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> “I am open to it,” Clinton replied, if it would help the party’s prospects in November.

That doesn’t actually sound so bad. It doesn’t sound like a demand, so much as a willingness to do whatever the party wants her to do. This, on the other hand, is crazy:

> [@](#):
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> The former first lady was not ready to formally suspend or end her race in a speech Tuesday night in New York City. But if Obama gets to the magic number of delegates, 2,118, she was prepared to acknowledge that milestone, according to aides who declined to be identified.

Buwahhh? The “milestone” IS the nomination, is it not? That would be like if Flip saunders came out and said that, while he wasn’t going to conced that the Celtics had eliminated the Pistons from the playoffs, he was willing to acknowledge that Boston had achieved the “milestone” of winning the four games necessary to clinch the series.

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**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2453 "2008-06-03T19:53:05Z")

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[QUOTE=Liberal]  
Oh, Jesus. Hillary has indicated that she’d be willing to be Obama’s veep.  
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I was just about to post a goggle-eyed question about this. After everything that’s gone down, does she SERIOUSLY think that he’ll consider choosing her?

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**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2454 "2008-06-03T19:59:03Z")

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[QUOTE=Kolga]  
I was just about to post a goggle-eyed question about this. After everything that’s gone down, does she SERIOUSLY think that he’ll consider choosing her?  
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I’m fearful he may feel he has to.

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**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2455 "2008-06-03T19:59:21Z")

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[QUOTE=Kolga]  
I was just about to post a goggle-eyed question about this. After everything that’s gone down, does she SERIOUSLY think that he’ll consider choosing her?  
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If he picks her, I’ll drop him like a hot potato.

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**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2456 "2008-06-03T19:59:30Z")

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That’s the last thing she can officially do _ **to** _ Obama - offer up herself as veep and make him say ‘no’ officially. Make him look like a schmuck to her supporters for snuffing her. She must know he will say no right? Why else offer it up?

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**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2457 "2008-06-03T20:01:11Z")

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[QUOTE=Phlosphr]  
That’s the last thing she can officially do _ **to** _ Obama - offer up herself as veep and make him say ‘no’ officially. Make him look like a schmuck to her supporters for snuffing her. She must know he will say no right? Why else offer it up?  
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She answered a question, she didn’t offer it up.

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**Author:** ![Flipshod](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f19dbf/32.png) [@Flipshod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flipshod)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2458 "2008-06-03T20:06:53Z")

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[QUOTE=Antinor01]  
She answered a question, she didn’t offer it up.  
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She did both.

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**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2459 "2008-06-03T20:07:25Z")

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[QUOTE=Liberal]  
Gah, that would be wonderful.  
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Agreed. In addition to being smart as a whip and cute as a button (excepting that awful haircut), she is effervescent and energetic without being too bubbly, personable, earnest and warm, without too much perky.

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**Author:** ![Flipshod](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f19dbf/32.png) [@Flipshod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flipshod)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2460 "2008-06-03T20:11:14Z")

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[QUOTE=Liberal]  
If he picks her, I’ll drop him like a hot potato.  
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He’s probably deft enough to keep her in her box if was forced into it, but he’s not going to pick her. It would be a show of political weakness–completely outside of his entire MO.

Those PACWomen would have to swallow hard if they voted against Obama/Sebelius (sp?)

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