# Fork Hillary 3: The Final Forking **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 18, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726 "2008-03-18T00:01:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 142
**Author:** ![vison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e47774/32.png) [@vison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vison)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2821 "2008-06-04T16:56:31Z")
The people who keep suggesting that Ms. Clinton would be a good choice for VP are a puzzle to me. It’s almost as if they are suggesting or implying that she and Mr. Bill would be the “real” power and Mr. Obama needs their “experience” to function. I think she would make a terrible VP, based on the way she’s run her campaign. As someone said above, she represents precisely what Obama campaigned against and he has no need to pander to them at all. His nomination is historic, and he is his own man. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2822 "2008-06-04T16:56:40Z")
Did you go, **Dio**? ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2823 "2008-06-04T16:59:38Z")
One of the impressions I’m getting is that Hillary thinks her 18 million supporters/voters are all jihadists, reading to strap one on for her. “If I quit, who will they vote for in November? I’m all they’ve got!” Of all people, she should understand the different reasons people have for voting for one candidate over another. I suspect that the majority of her supporters won’t have any trouble voting for Obama in November. (West Virginia excluded.) ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2824 "2008-06-04T17:00:41Z")
[QUOTE=DSeid] Yes. You are being naive. It would be pandering to the old school Clinton wing, begging the likes of **Elvis** to come on board and signal both a general lack of strength and a need to get the Clintons’ blessings for any action. **Once it has been implicitly demanded of him it cannot happen**. [/QUOTE] Ahhhhh that’s interesting. It seems to me that they can through implied threat try to pressure him into choosing her with some sort of “Isn’t it obvious” game but if he declines they pretty much have to support him no matter what if they don’t want to look like scumbags and sore losers. Then again, maybe they don’t care and that’s just what they are. Let’s hope not. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2825 "2008-06-04T17:01:36Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] What a bold and courageous move… [/QUOTE] That’s our Rahm - always boldly leading. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2826 "2008-06-04T17:04:04Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I really liked that little fist bump they did before Barack took the stage. It seemed like such a natural, unaffected, and affectionate little moment. You got the feeling it’s a personal gesture they use all the time. One of those private “couple” things. All married people or long-term couples have little gestures like that. It can’t be faked. I found that one small gesture more genuine and more touching than all of Al and Tipper’s making out. [/QUOTE] And just freakin wait until he beats McCain. I know I’ll get all vaklempt with the hope of a new day and direction for the USA. I’m just trying to decide how I will campaign for him other than just talking to friends. ---
**Author:** ![tds1273](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df705f/32.png) [@tds1273](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tds1273)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2827 "2008-06-04T17:05:04Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Incidentally, Obama’s speech at that event was utterly inspiring. It was frequently punctuated with cheers and applause, and by the end the audience was on its feet for the last couple of minutes. Stunning. Worth finding it on YouTube if it’s there. [/QUOTE] Damn. I got to see most of it, but had to leave for the bus at about quarter till. Personally, of what I did see, I would have liked to see him a bit tougher on Israel’s part in the conflict; he was somewhat, but I grudgingly understand why he couldn’t be more so. One part that didn’t work for me though was when he hammered home the “whatever it takes” line three times that got the crowd going. That said, it was still a great speech and Barack Obama is going to be a great President. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2828 "2008-06-04T17:06:54Z")
[QUOTE=cosmosdan] And just freakin wait until he beats McCain. I know I’ll get all vaklempt with the hope of a new day and direction for the USA. I’m just trying to decide how I will campaign for him other than just talking to friends. [/QUOTE] We thankfully still have access to our old LP network, and we’re using it. Obama is a natural choice for those who love freedom — both social and economic. There is quite a lot of support for him in the libertarian community. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2829 "2008-06-04T17:08:18Z")
[QUOTE=tds1273] That said, it was still a great speech and Barack Obama is going to be a great President. [/QUOTE] I haven’t heard his equal as far as oratory skills since Ronald Reagan. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2830 "2008-06-04T17:12:20Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] That’s our Rahm - always boldly leading. 😃 [/QUOTE] Well, he did a pretty good job in 2006 with the House elections. He seems like a tough street fighter type, so I wonder why he waited so long. Is he DLC…? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2831 "2008-06-04T17:12:59Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Ateyou talking about that goober in the yellow striped shirt? My wife and I were fascinated by that dude. Once you notice him, you can’t stop watching him. So comically enthusiastic about the most mundane statements. I wondered if he was some kind of “special” nephew or something. [/QUOTE] No, although that guy was 2nd runner up for me. He’s the [guy](http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/03/hillary.clinton.speech/index.html#cnnSTCVideo) on the opposite side, in a dark shirt and next to the red-head… he’s mostly half cropped-off in this video, but still a fascinating specimen. I noticed him a speech or two ago, and he was roughly in the same position. I can’t remember which speech it was, but he was at the top of his game in that one. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2832 "2008-06-04T17:21:03Z")
DCW lists 14 supers so far today that have declared for Obama, including 2 who have switched from Clinton. (One of those is Walter Mondale.) I feel sorry for that poor cad from Guam that she’s trotting around as evidence that supers might switch to her. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2833 "2008-06-04T17:21:22Z")
I kept fast-forwarding through HRC’s speech, trying to skip over the stump speech material and get to the part where she conceded. Not to harsh anyone’s buzz, but one of the first things I heard this morning (on NPR) was a Hillary supporter talking about how she’s now going to vote McCain. And also, keep in your mind the West Virgina Democrat (shown on the Daily Show) who said she voted for Hillary because she was “tired of the whole Hooo-sayn thing”. This is what Obama has to deal with in the general. ---
**Author:** ![tds1273](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df705f/32.png) [@tds1273](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tds1273)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2834 "2008-06-04T17:24:47Z")
[QUOTE=Steve MB] “Hillary-Clinton-Dot-Com-Bay-Bee Saw Their Ad On My TeeVee…” 😃 [/QUOTE] Thought About Voting For Her; But She’s Too Cra-Zee… Now Instead Of Bowing Out And Showing Class; She’ll Be Brushed To The Side, Her Rep. Will Be Laughed At F-O-R-K-E-D Hillary-Clinton-Dot-Com-Bay-Bee ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2835 "2008-06-04T17:26:38Z")
[QUOTE=jsc1953] Not to harsh anyone’s buzz, but one of the first things I heard this morning (on NPR) was a Hillary supporter talking about how she’s now going to vote McCain. [/QUOTE] I’m not the least bit worried about that. When it finally dawns on the idiots that McCain will appoint justices to overturn Roe v Wade, they’ll come back. And hopefully they’ll shut up. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2836 "2008-06-04T17:28:22Z")
[QUOTE=tds1273] Did anyone happen to catch Terry McCauliffe on the Daily Show last night? It just might have been one of the most surreal things I have _ever_ seen on that show, including the wackos they use to send correspondents to report on. I honestly couldn’t, and still can’t, grasp what I saw. Was it a joke? Delusion? One long, bad, acid trip? Jon Stewart had a great line- “The Mets failed to make the playoffs; explain to me how they won the World Series?” [/QUOTE] McCauliffe was downing shots on Morning Joe (MSNBC) this morning. He was pretty wired, but still fairly lucid (and oh-so-slightly less delusional than last night). ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2837 "2008-06-04T17:32:32Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] I’m not the least bit worried about that. When it finally dawns on the idiots that McCain will appoint justices to overturn Roe v Wade, they’ll come back. And hopefully they’ll shut up. [/QUOTE] I wish I had your faith in the American Voter. Re: Hillary’s “options” – I see 2: 1. Concede with grace and dignity 2. Run around screaming about 18 million invisible people until somebody shoots her with a tranquilizer dart. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2838 "2008-06-04T17:32:47Z")
And how’s this for bad PR? Bush is now more rooted in reality than Hillary (via Salon): > [@](#): > > And now President Bush has congratulated Barack Obama on becoming the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee. “President Bush congratulates Sen. Obama for clinching the Democratic Party’s 2008 nomination for president,” White House press secretary Dana Perino told reporters on Wednesday. “He knows from personal experience that the presidential nominating process is a grueling one and Sen. Obama came a long way in becoming his party’s nominee.” ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2839 "2008-06-04T17:35:58Z")
[QUOTE=jsc1953] I wish I had your faith in the American Voter. [/QUOTE] On the contrary, it is my skepticism that’s at work here. If I thought they’d stick to their principles, I’d worry. But they hold pro-choice uber alles. When it dawns on them that McCain is pro-life, they’ll recoil in horror. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2840 "2008-06-04T17:37:13Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] I haven’t heard his equal as far as oratory skills since Ronald Reagan. [/QUOTE] Just what George Will said last night! It was a _great_ speech. Gave me chills. I think I actually may be developing a little bit of a mancrush on Obama; I can’t help it. On to Denver! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=141) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=143)