# Fork Hillary 3: The Final Forking **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 18, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726 "2008-03-18T00:01:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 143
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2841 "2008-06-04T17:37:45Z")
Predictably, the GOP is now using all of Hillary’s [on-the-record, anti-Obama rhetoric](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2DECDKOFnw) as grist for the mill of their own general election attack ads. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2842 "2008-06-04T17:39:34Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Did you go, **Dio**? [/QUOTE] No. I wanted to, but from what I was hearing, I’d have had no chance of getting in by the time I’d have been able to get there. I heard the line was literally like a mile long by 5 or 6 o’clock, and I wouldn’t have been able to get there until after 6:00. Obama rallies are hard to get into anyway, and everyone knew this one in particular was going to be historic. Oh, well. I made my kids watch it. They’ll appreciate that someday. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2843 "2008-06-04T17:46:39Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Well, he did a pretty good job in 2006 with the House elections. He seems like a tough street fighter type, so I wonder why he waited so long. Is he DLC…? [/QUOTE] [Yep](http://www.house.gov/tauscher/ndc/membership.shtml)…he’s a member of the New Democrat Coalition, which is the DLC’s Congressional caucus. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2844 "2008-06-04T17:50:56Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Well, he did a pretty good job in 2006 with the House elections. He seems like a tough street fighter type, so I wonder why he waited so long. Is he DLC…? [/QUOTE] Former Bill Clinton advisor and staffer. > [@Wikipedia](#): > > [Rahm Emanuel - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel#Career_as_political_staffer) > > He joined then-Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton’s presidential primary campaign in 1991, serving as the campaign’s Director of Finance. . . > > Following the campaign, Emanuel became a senior advisor to Bill Clinton at the White House from 1993 to 1998. In the White House, Emanuel was initially Assistant to the President for Political Affairs and then Senior Advisor to the President for Policy and Strategy. He was a leading strategist in the unsuccessful White House efforts to institute universal healthcare and many other Clinton initiatives. . . ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2845 "2008-06-04T17:53:31Z")
[QUOTE=cmyk] No, although that guy was 2nd runner up for me. He’s the [guy](http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/03/hillary.clinton.speech/index.html#cnnSTCVideo) on the opposite side, in a dark shirt and next to the red-head… he’s mostly half cropped-off in this video, but still a fascinating specimen. I noticed him a speech or two ago, and he was roughly in the same position. I can’t remember which speech it was, but he was at the top of his game in that one. [/QUOTE] Hey, yeah. My wife and I noticed that guy last night too. He seemed very … emotional. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2846 "2008-06-04T17:54:04Z")
Wow. Hilary Rosen, a longtime Clinton supporter, has flipped and says she’s “so very disappointed” in Hillary’s behavior: Senator Clinton’s speech last night was a justifiably proud recitation of her accomplishments over the course of this campaign, but it did not end right. She didn’t do what she should have done. As hard and as painful as it might have been, she should have conceded, congratulated, endorsed and committed to Barack Obama. [snip] So, I am also so very disappointed at how she has handled this last week. I know she is exhausted and she had pledged to finish the primaries and let every state vote before any final action. But by the time she got on that podium last night, she knew it was over and that she had lost. I am sure I was not alone in privately urging the campaign over the last two weeks to use the moment to take her due, pass the torch and cement her grace. She had an opportunity to soar and unite. She had a chance to surprise her party and the nation after the day-long denials about expecting any concession and send Obama off on the campaign trail of the general election with the best possible platform. I wrote before how she had a chance for her “Al Gore moment.” And if she had done so, the whole country ALL would be talking today about how great she is and give her her due. Instead she left her supporters empty, Obama’s angry, and party leaders trashing her. She said she was stepping back to think about her options. She is waiting to figure out how she would “use” her 18 million voters. But not my vote. I will enthusiastically support Barack Obama’s campaign. Because I am not a bargaining chip. I am a Democrat. > **[I Am Not a Bargaining Chip, I Am a Democrat](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/i-am-not-a-bargaining-chi_b_105133)** > > Sen. Clinton didn't do what she should have done last night. Therefore the next 48 hours are now as important to her reputation as the last year and a half have been. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2847 "2008-06-04T17:55:27Z")
So how long until Hillary splits from the Democrats and runs as an independent? I’m not saying it is likely, but based on her demeanor over the last few weeks, I would say it is no longer inconceivable. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2848 "2008-06-04T18:02:56Z")
Not gonna happen. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2849 "2008-06-04T18:06:25Z")
[QUOTE=Fear Itself] So how long until Hillary splits from the Democrats and runs as an independent? I’m not saying it is likely, but based on her demeanor over the last few weeks, I would say it is no longer inconceivable. [/QUOTE] That would be a bitter pill to swallow. What a fuck you to the Democratic party that would be. And IMO a fuck you to America as well. It would mean her damed ego is more important than the welfare of the country. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2850 "2008-06-04T18:08:43Z")
It’s not going to happen. Clinton is a Democrat through and through - granted I live in CT and we know what Lieberman did - But this is the presidency, and there is no way Clinton would do that. Political suicide, if it hasn’t already been committed. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2851 "2008-06-04T18:09:51Z")
If you guys will give me odds, I will cover that action. ---
**Author:** ![rikc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c57346/32.png) [@rikc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rikc)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2852 "2008-06-04T18:10:53Z")
I was hoping that one Obama clinched the nomination the discussion of Hillary assassinating him or running as an independent or evolving into her final death machine form would stop. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2853 "2008-06-04T18:11:49Z")
[QUOTE=Trion] Hey, yeah. My wife and I noticed that guy last night too. He seemed very … emotional. [/QUOTE] Are you talking about the androgenous looking person in the yellow and red stripes? I noticed him/her as well. Very emotional… ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2854 "2008-06-04T18:13:59Z")
Forgive me, but I wanted to repost this after the page change, because it is very important. Hilary Rosen, a longtime Clinton supporter, has flipped and says she’s “so very disappointed” in Hillary’s behavior: Senator Clinton’s speech last night was a justifiably proud recitation of her accomplishments over the course of this campaign, but it did not end right. She didn’t do what she should have done. As hard and as painful as it might have been, she should have conceded, congratulated, endorsed and committed to Barack Obama. [snip] So, I am also so very disappointed at how she has handled this last week. I know she is exhausted and she had pledged to finish the primaries and let every state vote before any final action. But by the time she got on that podium last night, she knew it was over and that she had lost. I am sure I was not alone in privately urging the campaign over the last two weeks to use the moment to take her due, pass the torch and cement her grace. She had an opportunity to soar and unite. She had a chance to surprise her party and the nation after the day-long denials about expecting any concession and send Obama off on the campaign trail of the general election with the best possible platform. I wrote before how she had a chance for her “Al Gore moment.” And if she had done so, the whole country ALL would be talking today about how great she is and give her her due. Instead she left her supporters empty, Obama’s angry, and party leaders trashing her. She said she was stepping back to think about her options. She is waiting to figure out how she would “use” her 18 million voters. But not my vote. I will enthusiastically support Barack Obama’s campaign. Because I am not a bargaining chip. I am a Democrat. > **[I Am Not a Bargaining Chip, I Am a Democrat](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/i-am-not-a-bargaining-chi_b_105133)** > > Sen. Clinton didn't do what she should have done last night. Therefore the next 48 hours are now as important to her reputation as the last year and a half have been. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2855 "2008-06-04T18:19:35Z")
[QUOTE=Rosen] \ I am not a bargaining chip. I am a Democrat. [/QUOTE] Brilliant. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2856 "2008-06-04T18:30:44Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Hilary Rosen, a longtime Clinton supporter, has flipped and says she’s “so very disappointed” in Hillary’s behavior: [/QUOTE] Clearly she’s just one of those crazy cultist Obamaites. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2857 "2008-06-04T18:32:49Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] Are you talking about the androgenous looking person in the yellow and red stripes? I noticed him/her as well. Very emotional… [/QUOTE] Nope. Far right in the clip. Wearing black next to the red head. You can’t see him well in that clip. We didn’t see the person you’re talking about last night. We had a different camera angle than most I think. We were watching on C-Span. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2858 "2008-06-04T18:36:07Z")
Rep. Charlie Rangel, Chairman of the Ways and Means committee, told Andrea Mitchell in an interview just minutes ago that he and the New York delegation are befuddled by Hillary’s behavior. They feel uncomfortable because they are unable to explain why they aren’t endorsing Obama yet. He said they can’t make sense of what she was saying last night. “It’s just doesn’t make any sense,” he said. “It’s inconsistent with wanting a Democratic victory, and not endorsing the Democratic Candidate.” He said he plans to call Hillary today. ---
**Author:** ![tds1273](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df705f/32.png) [@tds1273](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tds1273)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2859 "2008-06-04T18:37:43Z")
[QUOTE=rikc] I was hoping that one Obama clinched the nomination the discussion of Hillary assassinating him or running as an independent or evolving into her final death machine form would stop. [/QUOTE] Well we were all hoping that once Obama clinched the nomination that Hillary would stop. So it goes… ---
**Author:** ![rikc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c57346/32.png) [@rikc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rikc)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/2860 "2008-06-04T18:47:29Z")
[QUOTE=tds1273] Well we were all hoping that once Obama clinched the nomination that Hillary would stop. So it goes… [/QUOTE] she did 😕 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=142) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=144)