# Fork Hillary 3: The Final Forking **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 18, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726 "2008-03-18T00:01:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2008, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/661 "2008-04-04T22:41:36Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] I will say this for him, he did spend several years in a Hanoi pit of hell and never once gave the VC any information. He’s definitely tough even for a 71 year old. [/QUOTE] He sure is. This from Wiki: _John McCain’s capture and imprisonment began on October 26, 1967. He was flying his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam, when his A-4E Skyhawk was shot down by a missile over Hanoi.[36][37][38][39] McCain fractured both arms and a leg,[40] and then nearly drowned when he parachuted into Truc Bach Lake in Hanoi.[36] After he regained consciousness, a mob attacked him,[41] crushed his shoulder with a rifle butt, and bayoneted him; he was then transported to Hanoi’s main Hoa Loa Prison, nicknamed the “Hanoi Hilton”.[41][42]_ \ \* In August of 1968, a program of severe torture began on McCain, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery,[41][36] and McCain made an anti-American propaganda “confession”.[36] He has always felt that his statement was dishonorable,[48] but as he would later write, “I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine.”[41] His injuries left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.[49] He subsequently received two to three beatings per week because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements\* I cannot begin to imagine the mental toughness and self-discipline required to perform as he did while under captivity. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2008, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/662 "2008-04-04T23:29:08Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] He sure is. \ I cannot begin to imagine the mental toughness and self-discipline required to perform as he did while under captivity. [/QUOTE] I read somewhere that, when pressed to give up his fellow solder’s names, he named the current Green Bay Packers offensive line. I thought that was pretty neat. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2008, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/663 "2008-04-04T23:49:40Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] I read somewhere that, when pressed to give up his fellow solder’s names, he named the current Green Bay Packers offensive line. I thought that was pretty neat. [/QUOTE] That is pretty cool. Let’s see I’d probably have named the offensive line of the 85’ Bears. Starting with the Fridge! 😃 I do like McCain, just not for POTUS. Or for being in charge of anything that has anything to do with the economy. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/664 "2008-04-05T00:19:00Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] I’d give it up to Hillary. [/QUOTE] Agree, but I’d delete the word “to”. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/665 "2008-04-05T00:25:24Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] Let’s see I’d probably have named the offensive line of the 85’ Bears. Starting with the Fridge! 😃 [/QUOTE] If you could’ve done that while in captivity by the North Vietnamese during the Vietnam war, I’d be _seriously_ impressed. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/666 "2008-04-05T00:29:21Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] If you could’ve done that while in captivity by the North Vietnamese during the Vietnam war, I’d be _seriously_ impressed. 😃 [/QUOTE] No I was talking currently - LOL!! 😃 So I guess I’d be talking about being held by…“insurgents?” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Pashnish\_Ewing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8797f3/32.png) [@Pashnish\_Ewing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pashnish_Ewing)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/667 "2008-04-05T00:35:25Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] That is pretty cool. Let’s see I’d probably have named the offensive line of the 85’ Bears. Starting with the Fridge! 😃 [/QUOTE] More “enhanced interrogation” for you Phlosphr. The Fridge played defense! ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/668 "2008-04-05T00:39:57Z")
[QUOTE=Pashnish Ewing] More “enhanced interrogation” for you Phlosphr. The Fridge played defense! [/QUOTE] Oh for the Love of OG! Can’t catch a break tonight! 😃 LOL!! ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/669 "2008-04-05T01:11:54Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] Let’s see I’d probably have named the offensive line of the 85’ Bears. Starting with the Fridge! 😃 [/QUOTE] MAN, I LOVED the '85 Bears! Mike Ditka coaching, Jim McMahon, Mike Singletary, William “Refrigerator” Perry, and the greatest Running Back who ever lived, Walter Payton. \ It _sucks_ to live in a city without football. ☹ But back to Obama. . . 😉 [Former Connecticut governor Weicker endorses Obama](http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/connecticut/ny-bc-ct--obamaendorsement-0404apr04,0,177149.story) > [@](#): > > HARTFORD, Conn. - Former **Republican** senator and Connecticut independent Gov. Lowell P. Weicker Jr. endorsed Barack Obama’s presidential bid Friday, saying the Illinois Democrat “has the smarts, quite frankly, to do a damn good job.” > > Weicker, 76, said Obama’s positive outlook, vision for the country’s future and common sense made him the obvious candidate to endorse. > > “Even though I’m almost 77 years old, I want a fresh start and a young start for this country,” Weicker said. “I think we’ve had enough of the old-timers in both parties.” > > . . . ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/670 "2008-04-05T01:12:08Z")
Technically, he did score a touchdown during Super Bowl XX. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/671 "2008-04-05T01:37:35Z")
Another superdelegate for Obama! [Lipinski Has Endorsed Barack Obama](http://www.swnewsherald.com/news_frontpage/2008/04/040408c_endorse.php) > [@](#): > > Cong. Dan Lipinski (D-3rd) has endorsed U.S. Sen. Barack Obama for president. > > Lipinski, a superdelegate, said he waited until after he won his primary to decide who he would endorse. He also said he has nothing against U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton, but has decided to endorse Obama. > > . . . > “Senator Obama has emphasized the need to overcome partisanship and all that divides us so that we can come together as a nation to build a better future,” said Lipinski. > > Lipinski went on to say that he feels Obama is ready to take on the many challenges facing Americans, such as “middle class tax relief, defending American workers, making health care and college more affordable, protecting seniors and veterans, improving transportation infrastructure and making our nation more secure.” > > . . . ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/672 "2008-04-05T01:58:50Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] Another superdelegate for Obama! [Lipinski Has Endorsed Barack Obama](http://www.swnewsherald.com/news_frontpage/2008/04/040408c_endorse.php) [/QUOTE] Is this a [senior moment](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9619004&postcount=352)? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/673 "2008-04-05T02:03:02Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] Is this a [senior moment](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9619004&postcount=352)? 😉 [/QUOTE] Well, feh! Look at the date on the article I linked to – it’s from today! There’ve just been so MANY endorsements for Barack lately, how can anyone be expected to keep them all straight? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BJMoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5fc32e/32.png) [@BJMoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BJMoose)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/674 "2008-04-05T14:10:32Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] I’d give it up to Hillary. For the novelty factor, if nothing else. But, I guess we do have to give her credit for at least smearing McCain instead of Obama in this one. [/QUOTE] McCain has responded with his own “Three A.M.” ad (I saw it on _Countdown Without Keith Olbermann_ last night). As I remember it, his point was that, when that middle-of-the-night phone call about the economy comes, Obama and Clinton will ignore the phone and - wait for it - _raise your taxes_. :rolleyes: I wish the Republicans would find another meme to play with. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/675 "2008-04-05T17:35:51Z")
I hope this whole campaign season comes up with a different meme other than 3:00 a.m. phone calls. What’s next, a little girl in a field at 3:00 a.m. picking daisies, when her cell phone rings? ---
**Author:** ![vison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e47774/32.png) [@vison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vison)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/676 "2008-04-05T17:47:34Z")
[QUOTE=kaylasdad99] I hope this whole campaign season comes up with a different meme other than 3:00 a.m. phone calls. What’s next, a little girl in a field at 3:00 a.m. picking daisies, when her cell phone rings? [/QUOTE] There are so many things a person could imagine about activities at 3:00 am, but a person is going to refrain. Yes, let us hope indeed that the minds behind the candidates can come up with something meaningful. _is not hopeful_ ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/677 "2008-04-05T17:55:02Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] That is pretty cool. Let’s see I’d probably have named the offensive line of the 85’ Bears. Starting with the Fridge! 😃 I do like McCain, just not for POTUS. Or for being in charge of anything that has anything to do with the economy. [/QUOTE] I respect his service to the country…and I admire his strength to act honorably under torture. I’ve been shot at and I almost shit my pants…and thats nothing compared to what he went through. I don’t want him for prez, but he deserves respect. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/678 "2008-04-05T18:14:08Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] But still, don’t want him as prez - [sup]don’t think he’s going to get the chance anyway[/sup] [/QUOTE] What is that supposed to mean? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/679 "2008-04-05T18:20:16Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] What is that supposed to mean? [/QUOTE] It means that Obama is going to drink the old man’s milkshake right up. There is no way McCain is elected President. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/680 "2008-04-05T18:48:54Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] It means that Obama is going to drink the old man’s milkshake right up. There is no way McCain is elected President. [/QUOTE] Exactly, nothing against him as a human being, a damn strong human being. I give him all the respect in the world, a real all American - I just don’t think he’d be an effective president. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=35)