# Fork Hillary 3: The Final Forking **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 18, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726 "2008-03-18T00:01:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/821 "2008-04-16T17:24:43Z")
This really is a comedy of errors, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/822 "2008-04-16T17:39:04Z")
[QUOTE=Tabithina] Just to add to the fun, the guy in Hillary’s latest attack ad is _not registered to vote in PA_. > **[Man In Clinton's 'Bitter' Ad Isn't Registered To Vote](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/man-in-clintons-bitter-ad_n_96939)** > > Man In Clinton's 'Bitter' Ad Isn't Registered To Vote _snerk_ [/QUOTE] Not only that, he’s a campaign worker for Clinton from New Jersey. ---
**Author:** ![stolichnaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@stolichnaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stolichnaya)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/823 "2008-04-16T18:04:39Z")
I hope they paid his toll. It’s free to get into Jersey, but you gotta pay to get out. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/824 "2008-04-16T18:19:27Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] [The Boss is for Barack](http://brucespringsteen.net/news/index.html) [/QUOTE] New Clinton attack ad: _ **The Bosses Are For Obama!** _ ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/825 "2008-04-16T18:26:25Z")
[QUOTE=stolichnaya] I hope they paid his toll. It’s free to get into Jersey, but you gotta pay to get out. [/QUOTE] You’re looking at it wrong. You have to pay to get INTO Pennsylvania. That’s our way of filtering out the Jersey riff-raff… ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/826 "2008-04-16T18:29:54Z")
Not superdelegates, but [25 Of 35 South Dakota Democratic State Legislators Endorse Obama](http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGC5pC/commentary). 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/827 "2008-04-16T18:36:15Z")
[30 Helens agree: Obama for President](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDTZcj8Xink) sorry ---
**Author:** ![Tabithina](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f04885/32.png) [@Tabithina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabithina)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/828 "2008-04-16T20:22:46Z")
This can’t be good for Hillary: [Hillary Clinton on working class whites in 1995: “Screw 'em”](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/16/hillary-clinton-on-workin_n_97017.html) This article is gathering ‘diggs’ really, really fast. People will be talking about this. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/829 "2008-04-16T20:43:45Z")
[QUOTE=Tabithina] This can’t be good for Hillary: [Hillary Clinton on working class whites in 1995: “Screw 'em”](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/16/hillary-clinton-on-workin_n_97017.html) This article is gathering ‘diggs’ really, really fast. People will be talking about this. [/QUOTE] Ah, yes, a president for all the people..unless you disagree with her, that is…then it’s screw you. Fits perfectly with the impression I’ve had of her through the years and it’s one of the reasons why, even though Obama is more liberal than Clinton, if I were forced to vote Democratic in the upcoming election I would vote for Obama. I believe he’d take his role as president of the entire country more seriously and would moderate his views so as to try to accomplish what’s best for everyone. Hillary thinks she already knows what’s best and if you don’t agree…screw ya. (And then, in her typical command-and-control style, she’ll try to cram it down your throat.) I would also say that article illustrates perfectly what everyone pretty much already knows - that Bill Clinton is a hell of a lot smarter than his wife. ---
**Author:** ![Anomalous\_Reading](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b3f665/32.png) [@Anomalous\_Reading](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anomalous_Reading)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/830 "2008-04-16T21:48:45Z")
[QUOTE=Tabithina] This can’t be good for Hillary: [Hillary Clinton on working class whites in 1995: “Screw 'em”](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/16/hillary-clinton-on-workin_n_97017.html) This article is gathering ‘diggs’ really, really fast. People will be talking about this. [/QUOTE] Ouch. And right before the debate… Interesting article - thanks for the link! ---
**Author:** ![stolichnaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@stolichnaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stolichnaya)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/831 "2008-04-16T22:02:16Z")
::yawn:: I’m pretty sure everyone involved understands that Hillary is really kind of going through the political motions on this elitist hubbub. She doesn’t really think Barack is more elitist than her, she doesn’t really expect us to believe that she isn’t elitist, she just needs the negative attention to stay on Boy Wonder for a while. Hearing that Clinton referred to people who didn’t vote for her husband in unflattering terms, that is news to absolutely nobody on earth or in heaven. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/832 "2008-04-17T13:47:40Z")
[Yesterday and today have been good for Obama in the superdelegate department](http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html): > [@](#): > > 4-16-08 - Added Rep. Andre Carson (IN) , Rep. Mel Watt (NC) and Rep. David Price (NC) for Obama > Moved Aleita Huguenin (CA) back to Clinton. She has confirmed both to Politico and DCW that her comments last week were misinterpreted, and that she remains a firm Clinton supporter. > 4-17-08 - Added Add-on Reggie Whitten (OK) and Add-on Harry Thomas Jr.(DC)# for Obama ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/833 "2008-04-17T14:04:53Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] [Yesterday and today have been good for Obama in the superdelegate department](http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html): [/QUOTE] George Stephanopolos mentioned this today on GMA. Saying the supers are not happy with Clinton’s continued negativity. Good for Obama. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/834 "2008-04-17T14:26:46Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] You’re looking at it wrong. You have to pay to get INTO Pennsylvania. That’s our way of filtering out the Jersey riff-raff… [/QUOTE] On the other hand, it’s free to get into Jersey from Staten Island (Goethals Bridge) but there’s a big toll going the other way. New Jersey - welcoming the huddled masses onto the Jersey Turnpike since 1958 (or whenever). ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/835 "2008-04-17T15:31:25Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] [Yesterday and today have been good for Obama in the superdelegate department](http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html): [/QUOTE] And it’s just going to keep getting better. From [http://thepage.time.com/](http://thepage.time.com/). . . > [@](#): > > D.C. City Council Member Harry Thomas Jr. says he will withdraw his support for Clinton in favor of Obama. > > . . . > > The Obama campaign tells Stephanopoulos that “prominent Pennsylvania supporters” will switch their support from Clinton to Obama Thursday morning due to Clinton’s negativity. And we can now add [Oklahoma Superdelegate Reggie Whitten](http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGC5sC) to Obama’s list, as well. And then [Following on the heels of yesterday’s three Pennsylvania endorsements, today the Philadelphia _Daily News_ officially backed Barack Obama](http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gGC5f9). Life is good in Obamaland! ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/836 "2008-04-17T15:46:27Z")
While he didn’t exactly shine last night he took some punches from the mods without wilting and maintained himself in a Presidential demeanor throughout. Hillary and Obama both were able to conclude with their sales pitches to the supers. Hillary stood by her pitch - “I’m the fighter you need. I’ve shown that I know how to fight and I am ready to battle.” (While earlier having backed down from her previous pitch that he can’t win while she can). Obama stood by his - “I can bring out new voters to the party (unsaid - these voters will vote for you too), weather the punches just fine, and build new coalitions that get things done.” (A much better answer than that the supers need to vote according to the pledged delegate count no matter what.) The actions of the supers today and over the next week will tell which pitch resonates more with these, the most important voters left. How do they want the party to go? So far the verdict is looking good for Obama indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/837 "2008-04-17T18:21:51Z")
[QUOTE=DSeid] \ The actions of the supers today and over the next week will tell which pitch resonates more with these, the most important voters left. How do they want the party to go? So far the verdict is looking good for Obama indeed. [/QUOTE] I believe it’s not only looking good for Obama, but that he’s the one to beat. Obama fielded the hits yesterday like a pro - and the supers saw that. It’s going to reminiscent of what’s to come from the republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/838 "2008-04-17T19:02:48Z")
Check out _this_ endorsement. . . [Watergate-era Republican backs Obama](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/17/watergate-era-republican-backs-obama/) > [@](#): > > From the politics/strange bedfellows file: Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama has won an endorsement from Republican and former Nixon Watergate figure William D. Ruckelshaus. > > . . . > > The former Nixon FBI director and secretary of the Environmental Protection Agency hopes to help Obama defeat Democratic rival Sen. Hillary Clinton in the May 6 primary in Ruckelshaus’ homestate of Indiana. The state has been a longtime Republican stronghold in presidential politics. > > “Senator Obama’s ability to attract not only Democrats, but also Republicans and Independents, makes him uniquely qualified to build the broad coalitions needed to address our nation’s challenges,” said Ruckelshaus in a statement. > > . . . Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/839 "2008-04-17T19:05:46Z")
Nice! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/840 "2008-04-17T19:20:13Z")
I’m unsure what to make of that, **Shayna**. Do you think Ruckleshaus is endorsing Obama to win the presidency itself or just the Democratic nomination? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=43)