# Fork Hillary 3: The Final Forking **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 18, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726 "2008-03-18T00:01:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![BJMoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5fc32e/32.png) [@BJMoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BJMoose)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1061 "2008-05-01T21:26:12Z")
[QUOTE=DSeid] So Obama’s magic number is 292 with 699 delegates remaining. (408 elected and 291 supers.) 187 of the elected will be determined between Indiana and North Carolina, and 4 more by Guam. * * * [/QUOTE] If this is so, and barring an electoral meltdown, it means Obama needs just a third, roughly, of the remaining superdelegates to get a first-ballot nomination. Sen. Clintion, I know you like the heat and all that, but isn’t it about time you came out of the oven? ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1062 "2008-05-01T21:45:11Z")
[QUOTE=BJMoose] If this is so, and barring an electoral meltdown, it means Obama needs just a third, roughly, of the remaining superdelegates to get a first-ballot nomination. Sen. Clintion, I know you like the heat and all that, but isn’t it about time you came out of the oven? [/QUOTE] That’s exactly what it means…Lot’s of people are scratching their heads. It doesn’t surprise me Clinton staying in…but I am excited to hear her “exit interview”. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1063 "2008-05-01T21:55:56Z")
[QUOTE=BJMoose] If this is so, and barring an electoral meltdown, it means Obama needs just a third, roughly, of the remaining superdelegates to get a first-ballot nomination. [/QUOTE] Right. Assuming none of his superdelegates change their minds. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1064 "2008-05-01T22:08:11Z")
[QUOTE=Captain Amazing] Right. Assuming none of his superdelegates change their minds. [/QUOTE] The defections appear to be coming from Clinton’s side primarily…and have been for a while. I think people who analyze the hell out of things like superdelegates … and like some of us here - can see it’s just about impossible for Clinton to wiggle much at all. And if current trend holds the next several primaries will be close with Obama ultimately doing the presidential jig. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1065 "2008-05-01T22:52:08Z")
[Iran complains to UN about Clinton’s ‘provocative’ remarks](http://www2.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-22/0805011552103319.htm) > [@](#): > > Iran sent a letter of protest to the UN and its Security Council over provocative comments recently made by the US presidential candidate Hillary Clinton about Iran. > > The letter, dated April 30, was sent to the United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and the president of the Security Council by Iran’s Deputy Ambassador to the UN Mehdi Danesh-Yazdi and is expected to be be registered as a formal document. > > Condemning Clinton’s statements as ‘provocative, unwarranted and irresponsible,’ the letter said that her remarks were blatant violation of the UN Charter and contradictory to all international legal principles on rights of other nations. > > The letter also stressed that those comments were against efforts underway to safeguard international peace and stability. > > . . . Yeah, great job of foreign relations there, Hill! ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1066 "2008-05-01T23:29:22Z")
That won’t hurt her **Shayna**. John Q Public will prefer that to the head of Hamas saying he hopes you win. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1067 "2008-05-01T23:38:55Z")
[QUOTE=DSeid] That won’t hurt her **Shayna**. John Q Public will prefer that to the head of Hamas saying he hopes you win. [/QUOTE] Honest to Og, I just don’t fucking get it. The woman is practically a carbon copy of W. She’s a blatant liar and a blow-hard, willing to step into the office of the Presidency already racking up international enemies. Aren’t we as a nation sick and bloody tired of all the saber rattling and blustering against our “enemies”? Haven’t we seen how disastrous that attitude’s been over the last 7 years? Why on earth would anyone want more of the same, let alone Democrats??? It’s just stunning and bewildering. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1068 "2008-05-01T23:42:01Z")
[QUOTE=DSeid] That won’t hurt her **Shayna**. John Q Public will prefer that to the head of Hamas saying he hopes you win. [/QUOTE] Headline: \*\*Iran Fears Clinton; Terrorists Embrace Obama. \*\* It’s a no-brainer. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2008, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1069 "2008-05-02T00:41:22Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] It’s a no-brainer. [/QUOTE] (Don’t say literally. Don’t say literally.) Literally. (D’oh!) ---
**Author:** ![stolichnaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@stolichnaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stolichnaya)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2008, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1070 "2008-05-02T04:25:18Z")
This whole election is a test. Is America smarter than a fifth grader? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2008, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1071 "2008-05-02T05:03:29Z")
[QUOTE=stolichnaya] This whole election is a test. Is America smarter than a fifth grader? [/QUOTE] That assumes that political decisions = smart. Fortunately for us that isn’t true. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2008, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1072 "2008-05-02T09:42:09Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] Honest to Og, I just don’t fucking get it. The woman is practically a carbon copy of W. She’s a blatant liar and a blow-hard, willing to step into the office of the Presidency already racking up international enemies. Aren’t we as a nation sick and bloody tired of all the saber rattling and blustering against our “enemies”? Haven’t we seen how disastrous that attitude’s been over the last 7 years? Why on earth would anyone want more of the same, let alone Democrats??? It’s just stunning and bewildering. [/QUOTE] It’s because of how the media frame and present her. They encourage and enable her. They cover Rev Wright endlessly while saying nothing about Hillary’s Doug Coe. And frankly, many of them are either racist bigots or rabid vultures who actually enjoy trashing Obama. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2008, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1073 "2008-05-02T11:27:45Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] That assumes that political decisions = smart. Fortunately for us that isn’t true. [/QUOTE] If it’s Obama v. McCain in the general, it _will_ be true. One will be George W. Bush, policywise, only even more so. Bigger tax cuts even more tilted towards the rich, just as committed to staying in Iraq forever, and little interest in even the generalities of domestic policy, let alone the details. The other will have a preacher who’s a Scary Black Man. If it’s Obama v. McCain, this election will in fact be an IQ test for the American people. When I recall the words of H.L. Mencken (“Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.”), I fear for my country. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2008, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1074 "2008-05-02T14:06:43Z")
Another superdelegate endorsed Obama today: > [@](#): > > Today, Former Democratic National Committee Chair and Massachusetts supderdelegate Paul G. Kirk, Jr. endorsed Barack Obama. > > . . . > > “It is with a great sense of pride and confidence in his leadership that I am delighted to publicly endorse Senator Barack Obama and pledge my support to him as former National Democratic Chairman and as a superdelegate. Senator Obama is the one candidate who has and will continue to expand the electorate beyond the traditional Democratic party base and bring young and new and Independent voters to the Democratic banner in November, an essential ingredient to a Democratic victory. > > –More at the link– > > [http://thepage.time.com/obama-release-on-kirk-endorsement/](http://thepage.time.com/obama-release-on-kirk-endorsement/) Drip, drip,drip. We’re getting there, folks! ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2008, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1075 "2008-05-02T14:30:49Z")
And Bloomberg said that Hillary has no idea what she’s talking about, and Obama is right, about the gas tax. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2008, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1076 "2008-05-02T14:32:51Z")
[QUOTE=E-Sabbath] And Bloomberg said that Hillary has no idea what she’s talking about, and Obama is right, about the gas tax. [/QUOTE] NPR this morning said that most economists are behind Obama on this one as well. ---
**Author:** ![stolichnaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@stolichnaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stolichnaya)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2008, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1077 "2008-05-02T14:45:09Z")
Thirty Helens agree. Not only is it a ridiculous premise, neither of them can make it happen! You might as well promise people free handjobs from that little number down at the IHOP for all the chance it has of actually happening. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2008, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1078 "2008-05-02T14:49:15Z")
[QUOTE=Bayard] NPR this morning said that most economists are behind Obama on this one as well. [/QUOTE] Well, that just means that he’s an Elitist, whereas Hillary is a Scrapper who will fight for the little guy. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2008, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1079 "2008-05-02T15:03:49Z")
[QUOTE=stolichnaya] You might as well promise people free handjobs from that little number down at the IHOP for all the chance it has of actually happening. [/QUOTE] Hey, sign me up! I’m writing my donation check now, but I want to make sure I get a bumper sticker out of it too. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2008, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1080 "2008-05-02T15:51:44Z")
Bumper sticker? Hell, I’ll take the handjob! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=55)