# Fork Hillary 3: The Final Forking **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 18, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726 "2008-03-18T00:01:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 62
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1221 "2008-05-07T14:27:05Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] I always thought a grand entrance like Black-Belt Jones with a Karate Chop would be cool. [/QUOTE] I’ll be happy if he replaces “Hail to the Chief” with James Brown’s “Payback.” ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1222 "2008-05-07T15:06:11Z")
[QUOTE=Cervaise] I’ll be happy if he replaces “Hail to the Chief” with James Brown’s “Payback.” [/QUOTE] Personally, I’m leaning towards P-Funk’s “Chocolate City” (“They call it the White House, but that’s a temporary condition”) ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1223 "2008-05-07T15:13:02Z")
Breaking News from MSNBC: George McGovern, former Democratic representative and senator from South Dakota, and former Clinton supporter, has publicly called on her to drop out of the race. He has announced he will vote as a delegate for Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1224 "2008-05-07T15:15:40Z")
[McGovern Switches to Obama, Urges Clinton to Quit](http://thepage.time.com/2008/05/07/got-her-back-or-behind-her-back/) > [@](#): > > The former South Dakota Senator had endorsed Clinton. He says he will call Bill Clinton to inform him of his decision. > > . . . > > developing. It’s SO over. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1225 "2008-05-07T15:22:29Z")
Can we fill our virtual toasting glasses yet? Will she do it? ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1226 "2008-05-07T15:23:50Z")
On another board, a poster mentioned that Clinton’s leads in WV and KY are so unassailable that she’ll win those, even if she drops out. And she’d be doing Obama a favor by staying in and giving an explanation for why he lost. Any thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1227 "2008-05-07T15:30:22Z")
[QUOTE=Menocchio] On another board, a poster mentioned that Clinton’s leads in WV and KY are so unassailable that she’ll win those, even if she drops out. And she’d be doing Obama a favor by staying in and giving an explanation for why he lost. Any thoughts? [/QUOTE] Huh? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1228 "2008-05-07T15:31:58Z")
[QUOTE=Menocchio] On another board, a poster mentioned that Clinton’s leads in WV and KY are so unassailable that she’ll win those, even if she drops out. And she’d be doing Obama a favor by staying in and giving an explanation for why he lost. Any thoughts? [/QUOTE] The MSNBC folk were saying the same last night. KY & WV would vote for Clinton over Obama whether she’s in the race or not so staying in spares him the embarassment of losing to someone who’s already quit. She can win a couple more states and bow out on a high note. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1229 "2008-05-07T15:33:57Z")
OK, given the results last night and the news that HIllary loaned her campaign another $6.4 million on top of the $5 million she earlier loaned the campaign and tell me what [Bill is thinking?](http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//080507/photos_pl/2008_05_06t231528_450x305_us_usa_politics/) To me, he has that look on his face of a husband who’s wife won’t stop spending on personal indulgences and is draininng the bank account. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1230 "2008-05-07T15:34:08Z")
[QUOTE=Menocchio] On another board, a poster mentioned that Clinton’s leads in WV and KY are so unassailable that she’ll win those, even if she drops out. And she’d be doing Obama a favor by staying in and giving an explanation for why he lost. Any thoughts? [/QUOTE] I have no doubt that if she dropped out today that she’d still win WV, KY and probably PR, too. Those constituencies favor her heavily. But they aren’t enough to tip the scales to her in any meaningful way. Especially with Oregon, South Dakota and Montana so heavily favoring Obama. At this point they could both stay home the rest of the month and still split the final 6 contests 50/50, the only question would be by how much he might be able to close the gap of her wins with the extra time to campaign in those states, much like he did in Pennsylvania. I don’t think she’d be doing him any favors by staying in the race at all. But she’s certainly entitled to. And given that it’s only just over 3 weeks more, let her blow all her money if she wants. \ ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1231 "2008-05-07T15:34:16Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Now that Obama has won convincingly throughout the South — _with substantial help from white males_ — can we please put to rest the myths about how racism looms large over the South while the north is a bastion of squeaky clean racial harmony? [/QUOTE] I concur. It’s past time to put that erroneous meme to sleep. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1232 "2008-05-07T15:34:27Z")
Why are KY and WV so heavily against Obama? Are they really just that hillbilly? ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1233 "2008-05-07T15:34:48Z")
[QUOTE=Menocchio] On another board, a poster mentioned that Clinton’s leads in WV and KY are so unassailable that she’ll win those, even if she drops out. And she’d be doing Obama a favor by staying in and giving an explanation for why he lost. Any thoughts? [/QUOTE] I’ve never had any thoughts that Clinton would drop before June 4th. Quite honestly, even if she wins in WV or KY who cares? Shes not going to be the next President of the United States - that’s becoming more and more clear every day. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1234 "2008-05-07T15:35:33Z")
[QUOTE=SenorBeef] The joke will be on you when he comes out in a turban and says “HAHA! I was a secret Muslim! Now you’re stuck with me!” [/QUOTE] You know what is funny is that you know there are people out there who think both that he is a secret Muslim and also are conceerned about his 20 year association with pastor. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1235 "2008-05-07T15:36:45Z")
[QUOTE=Gangster Octopus] OK, given the results last night and the news that HIllary loaned her campaign another $6.4 million on top of the $5 million she earlier loaned the campaign and tell me what [Bill is thinking?](http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//080507/photos_pl/2008_05_06t231528_450x305_us_usa_politics/) To me, he has that look on his face of a husband who’s wife won’t stop spending on personal indulgences and is draininng the bank account. [/QUOTE] That look is priceless! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1236 "2008-05-07T15:37:53Z")
[QUOTE=Gangster Octopus] You know what is funny is that you know there are people out there who think both that he is a secret Muslim and also are conceerned about his 20 year association with pastor. [/QUOTE] There are people out there who think he’s a muslim AND think that if the president is a muslim, they have to be muslim, too. ---
**Author:** ![Merkwurdigliebe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/74df32/32.png) [@Merkwurdigliebe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merkwurdigliebe)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1237 "2008-05-07T15:38:58Z")
To be honest, Liberal about the racism thing, I’ve come to realize that the main problem area in the country in general is Appalachia. That’s the kind of place where you’re seeing 90 percent of the white vote go for Hillary. This is obviously different from blacks voting for Obama, because it’s expected that you vote for your own group. I’m originally from the South, and the answer may be that it is so taboo these days by most people that we dare not mention it. Even then, that’s better than the open racism that I’ve seen in the rust-belt areas, and also in Appalachia. Apparently the least racist areas to be in are the Mountain West states where Obama cleaned up so heavily. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1238 "2008-05-07T15:41:47Z")
[QUOTE=garygnu] There are people out there who think he’s a muslim AND think that if the president is a muslim, they have to be muslim, too. [/QUOTE] Doomed, I tells ya. Doooooooooomed. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1239 "2008-05-07T15:44:57Z")
[QUOTE=Gangster Octopus] To me, he has that look on his face of a husband who’s wife won’t stop spending on personal indulgences and is draininng the bank account. [/QUOTE] Nah. One of her advisers says she’s loaned herself one year’s income. If they’ve really made more than $100 million since he left office, it’s no problem - not to mention that while he’s the main breadwinner, she’s made plenty of money on her own. If she loses, they’ll make that money back fairly quickly the same way they made it, from book sales and his speaking engagements. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1240 "2008-05-07T15:47:54Z")
[Interesting article here from the New Yorker](http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2008/04/the-race-in-eas.html): > [@](#): > > On Wednesday, I was in Inez, Kentucky, the Appalachian town where L.B.J. declared war on poverty forty-four years ago this month. John McCain was on a tour of “forgotten places,” and had come to Inez to let the coal miners and town notables know that he will be the President of all Americans. (More on McCain and conservatism in an upcoming piece for the magazine.) After his speech, I left the county courthouse and crossed the main street to talk to a small group of demonstrators holding signs next to McCain’s campaign bus. J. K. Patrick, a retired state employee from a neighboring county, wore a button on his shirt that said “Hillary: Smart Choice.” > > “East of Lexington she’ll carry seventy per cent of the primary vote,” he said. Kentucky votes on May 20. “She could win the general election in Kentucky.” I asked about Obama. “Obama couldn’t win.” > > Why not? > > “Race,” Patrick said matter-of-factly. “I’ve talked to people—a woman who was chair of county elections last year, she said she wouldn’t vote for a black man.” Patrick said he wouldn’t vote for Obama either. > > Why not? > > “Race. I really don’t want an African-American as President. Race.” > > What about race? > > “I thought about it. I think he would put too many minorities in positions over the white race. That’s my opinion. After 1964, you saw what the South did.” He meant that it went Republican. “Now what caused that? Race. There’s a lot of white people that just wouldn’t vote for a colored person. Especially older people. They know what happened in the sixties. Under thirty—they don’t remember. I do. I was here.” > > Everyone knows that race is a factor in Obama’s low vote among older whites, though reporters say that no one will admit it personally. In Eastern Kentucky, people (and not just J. K. Patrick) admit it personally, without hesitation or apology. It’s impossible to say how much this has affected the primary or will affect the fall election. For voters like those I met in Inez, the objection to Obama has nothing to do with Reverend Jeremiah Wright or, God knows, Bill Ayers. There’s nothing Obama can do about it. He can’t even mention it. I guess it _is_ pure racism. They don’t even deny it. The sad thing is that the media will avoid calling attention to and will talk instead about Obama’s “inability to connect with whit working class voters.” I’m getting kind of tired of how they’re all too chickenshit to admit that these pockets of racism still exist. They always spin it like there must be something wrong with the candidate, not the voters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=61) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=63)