# Fork Hillary 3: The Final Forking **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 18, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726 "2008-03-18T00:01:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 72
**Author:** ![ratatoskK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ratatoskk/32/2987_2.png) [@ratatoskK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ratatoskK)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1421 "2008-05-08T21:58:59Z")
In the NY Times: > [@](#): > > As Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton rejected calls for her to drop out of the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, her campaign signaled Thursday that Mrs. Clinton might not take the battle all the way to the convention at the end of August. > > “I don’t see it going to the convention,” Terry McAuliffe, her campaign manager, said in a televised interview. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1422 "2008-05-08T22:01:45Z")
[QUOTE=spoke-] Cue the video: [Hillary’s Inner Tracy Flick](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rleUPHX8yfM). [/QUOTE] There are [worse people](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc) she could be compared to (note: incredibly OTT video, but still pretty funny). ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1423 "2008-05-08T22:02:03Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I’m starting to wonder how Hillary herself sincerely believes she still has a chance to win. Underneath all the political smoke and rhetoric, what’s really going on in that head of hers? Is she so exceptionally cynical and selfish that she’s willing to risk damaging her party? I know a lot of people would say yes to that but I don’t believe it. I suspect something more akin to a deep personal denial. She’s probably been expecting to become the first woman President since grade school. Everything in her life and career has been geared to that one goal. She’s been taking it for granted that it will happen. She expects it like she expects snow in the winter. She thinks it’s her fate and she just can’t believe it’s not happening now. Coming to grips with not being the one to make history is a tough pill for her to swallow. So much so that she’s refusing to accept reality and persisting in self-delusion. [/QUOTE] I’m not sure Clinton is obtuse enough to not know she is being self-deceptive. That would mean she knows she is deceiving herself and is doing this out of pure emotional imbalance. Look at her husband - he knows it’s over. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1424 "2008-05-08T22:10:37Z")
> [@](#): > > Hillary’s hanging on to the contest dramatically proves to me that she is unfit to be our president. It is so Bush-like, is it not? It’s her Iraq. She has obviously failed, yet she keeps on just to prove she’s not a quitter. Where have we heard that lately? How can we depend on her? Like Bush, she cannot admit a mistake. She can’t admit failure. She is not rational. She’ll take us down with her. > > We need a rational president so badly. One who makes decisions based on careful consideration of all the facts and understands the real risks and likelihood of success. Hillary is running her campaign into the ground financially. Is that what we want in a president? Someone who uses fear and divisiveness to appeal to people? > > Her campaign alone is a reason to vote against her. Eloquently said. It’s true. She’s more like Bush than McCain is. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1425 "2008-05-08T22:19:36Z")
[QUOTE=ArchiveGuy] There are [worse people](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc) she could be compared to (note: incredibly OTT video, but still pretty funny). [/QUOTE] 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1426 "2008-05-08T22:28:53Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Eloquently said. It’s true. She’s more like Bush than McCain is. [/QUOTE] Listen to what you’re saying. It’s a close race, people. She’s holding on a little longer. This does not put her on a level with a White House admin saying “We don’t have to deal with reality, because we are making our own reality.” Or an administration that entered into an invasion of another country on the basis of a number of lies and with no consideration whatsoever of what to do after military victory was achieved. ---
**Author:** ![Flipshod](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f19dbf/32.png) [@Flipshod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flipshod)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1427 "2008-05-08T23:26:31Z")
[QUOTE=Oy!] Listen to what you’re saying. It’s a close race, people. She’s holding on a little longer. This does not put her on a level with a White House admin saying “We don’t have to deal with reality, because we are making our own reality.” Or an administration that entered into an invasion of another country on the basis of a number of lies and with no consideration whatsoever of what to do after military victory was achieved. [/QUOTE] If she were merely “holding on a little longer,” I wouldn’t have a problem. But I think it’s closer to to the Hillaryous link Archive Guy provided above. (which while over the top, just about says it to me). ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1428 "2008-05-08T23:41:15Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Did anyone see George Will’s column today (at least it was today in my paper)? It’s pretty funny, even if you don’t like Will. He does a good job of lampooning Hillary’s spin about how she is still a viable candidate and that she is in the lead by some measures. [/QUOTE] Full column (which mocks Hillary’s self-declared status as a N.Y. Yankees fan) available [here](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/07/AR2008050703190.html). _"After Tuesday’s split decisions in Indiana and North Carolina, Clinton, the Yankee Clipperette, can, and hence eventually will, creatively argue that she is really ahead of Barack Obama, or at any rate she is sort of tied, mathematically or morally or something, in popular votes, or delegates, or some combination of the two, as determined by Fermat’s Last Theorem, or something, in states whose names begin with vowels, or maybe consonants, or perhaps some mixture of the two as determined by listening to a recording of the Beach Boys’ “Help Me, Rhonda” played backward, or whatever other formula is most helpful to her, and counting the votes she received in Michigan, where hers was the only contending name on the ballot (her chief rivals, quaintly obeying their party’s rules, boycotted the state, which had violated the party’s rules for scheduling primaries), and counting the votes she received in Florida, which, like Michigan, was a scofflaw and where no one campaigned, and dividing Obama’s delegate advantage in caucus states by pi multiplied by the square root of Yankee Stadium’s Zip code._ Will also suggests she might come out on top by counting each African-American vote as only 3/5ths of a vote (there’s precedent for that). 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1429 "2008-05-08T23:45:31Z")
[QUOTE=ArchiveGuy] There are [worse people](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc) she could be compared to (note: incredibly OTT video, but still pretty funny). [/QUOTE] Awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1430 "2008-05-08T23:48:03Z")
[QUOTE=Cervaise] 😃 [/QUOTE] Oh my god, that was funny! I think I sprained something!.. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1431 "2008-05-08T23:50:07Z")
[QUOTE=ArchiveGuy] There are [worse people](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc) she could be compared to (note: incredibly OTT video, but still pretty funny). [/QUOTE] “It’s all over. The voters have stolen my nomination.” 😃😃😃 😃😃 ---
**Author:** ![Merkwurdigliebe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/74df32/32.png) [@Merkwurdigliebe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merkwurdigliebe)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1432 "2008-05-09T00:05:49Z")
That’s the point, Oy. She’s this bad already. How bad can it get when she is the most powerful person in the world? I don’t want to know. You know what? Even Bush would have quit his campaign if he were in Hillary’s position. Bush only goes through the denial on Iraq and the war in terror because he isn’t confronted with it on a daily basis. Hillary on the other hand must know what is going on. Her war is in the media and all around her every day. Yet she still refuses to believe she has lost. She is showing the exact qualities of a person that I would never want to have as President. She can’t handle her money, she hires people based on loyalty rather than competence, she refuses to face reality. With regards to Florida and Michigan. She only wants to seat them in a way that is detrimental to Obama and refuses to compromise. Her Michigan stance is comical. She obviously can’t give Obama the “uncommited” vote and still remain competitive, so she’s against it. She wants to say, “tough titty, Barack! you should have left your name on the ballot in the unsanctioned primary.” But you know what this really means? This thing will be over once the rules committee shuts this thing down. You know why they will do that? Because Hillary denied a sensible compromise today in favor of trying to force the other way that will probably give her 40 delegates or so. Rewarding her for cheating. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1433 "2008-05-09T00:21:40Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] After today, I’ll be surprised if she doesn’t demand counting only 3/5 of black votes. [/QUOTE] And who could blame her? It’s what the Founding Fathers _wanted_. Are you enough of an elitist to say you know better than the people who _founded this democracy_? (I still remember when my grandfather, an immigrant who started work in the coal mines when he was a fetus, first took me out and taught me how to count a slave as 60% of a human; one of my happiest childhood memories.) ---
**Author:** ![Absolute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Absolute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Absolute)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1434 "2008-05-09T00:22:36Z")
[QUOTE=Merkwurdigliebe] She is showing the exact qualities of a person that I would never want to have as President. She can’t handle her money, she hires people based on loyalty rather than competence, she refuses to face reality. [/QUOTE] My sentiments exactly. While her policies may be different, her personality really is quite similar to that of Bush. It’s quite clear that she would be a disastrous president. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1435 "2008-05-09T00:37:03Z")
[QUOTE=Absolute] My sentiments exactly. While her policies may be different, her personality really is quite similar to that of Bush. It’s quite clear that she would be a disastrous president. [/QUOTE] Amen. If Obama did nothing else but prevent her from becoming president, he will have been a smashing success. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1436 "2008-05-09T01:15:49Z")
[QUOTE=ArchiveGuy] There are [worse people](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc) she could be compared to (note: incredibly OTT video, but still pretty funny). [/QUOTE] Good lord that was funny. Just hillarious. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Absolute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Absolute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Absolute)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1437 "2008-05-09T01:22:43Z")
“Choking on their tofu because I voted for the Iraq war!” 😃 Oh my god, I’m laughing so hard I’m going to choke… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1438 "2008-05-09T04:20:11Z")
Wait a sec, hold on here. Is this one of those “YouTube-Jackass” things, somebody has one of those Japanese mattresses and is trying to _eat_ it? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1439 "2008-05-09T04:47:05Z")
Well, the Japanese _were_ part of the Axis during WW2, but otherwise you’re cold… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1440 "2008-05-09T04:56:53Z")
\*“Der sheisskoppfen lumpenprole bist mein elektion gerfuckkenup!!” \* Something about a hovercraft, I’m a little rusty… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=71) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=73)