# Fork Hillary 3: The Final Forking **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 18, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726 "2008-03-18T00:01:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 73
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1441 "2008-05-09T06:12:29Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] “It’s all over. The voters have stolen my nomination.” 😃😃😃 😃😃 [/QUOTE] Yeh, of all the hilarious stuff in that video, that has to be the best line. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1442 "2008-05-09T07:07:51Z")
This is absolutely hilarious (though not as funny as that video): > [@](#): > > Clinton picked people for her team primarily for their loyalty to her, instead of their mastery of the game. That became abundantly clear in a strategy session last year, according to two people who were there. As aides looked over the campaign calendar, chief strategist Mark Penn confidently predicted that an early win in California would put her over the top because she would pick up all the state’s 370 delegates. . . .Even now, it can seem as if they don’t get it. Both Bill and Hillary have noted plaintively that if Democrats had the same winner-take-all rules as Republicans, she’d be the nominee. [Link](http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1738331,00.html) ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1443 "2008-05-09T12:52:37Z")
Did anyone else catch Hardball last night? Chris Matthews asked a Howard Wolfson exactly what was her ‘metric’ for pulling out a win. The spokesman went through the usual twisty, two-left-footed hypothetical chicken dance which included counting MI and FL, discounting caucuses, rushing the rules committee, how uneducated white Republican voters and Dem-leaning Indies will only vote for her, how she will have massive wins in WV (possible), KY (also possible) and OR (huh?) and-- the kicker-- Puerto Rico (likely). Matthews was stunned that Wolfson would think that the delegates of a territory that cannot vote in the general should be a significant reason for the supers to back Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1444 "2008-05-09T13:16:24Z")
Wolfson’s full of crap. Keith Olbermann has a diary at Daily Kos today about him, and about one of the big indicators that the campaign is set to implode…apparently [Wolfson is shopping around a book deal.](http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/8/184623/5562/465/512097) ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1445 "2008-05-09T14:16:19Z")
The fork twists. Today on [Rassmussen:](http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll) > [@](#): > > Rasmussen Reports will soon end our daily tracking of the Democratic race and focus exclusively on the general election competition between Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama. Barring something totally unforeseen, that is the choice American voters will have before them in November. Oh those dang elites. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1446 "2008-05-09T14:23:43Z")
And [two more supers](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/) so far today. (One a former Clinton supporter and she picked up one new. But right now I’m just focused on Obama’s magic number.) ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1447 "2008-05-09T14:44:24Z")
That’s two defections from Clinton in the past week, isn’t it? I think Obama picked up a formerly declared Clinton super from Virginia a couple of days ago. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1448 "2008-05-09T14:57:12Z")
Headline: [Clinton advisers talk exit strategy](http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004402372_dems09.html) ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1449 "2008-05-09T15:02:49Z")
[QUOTE=Cervaise] Headline: [Clinton advisers talk exit strategy](http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004402372_dems09.html) [/QUOTE] From that article: > [@](#): > > Sen. Barack Obama, meanwhile, was on Capitol Hill, where even Republican lawmakers elbowed past colleagues in the House chamber to shake his hand. Nice! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1450 "2008-05-09T15:09:59Z")
[QUOTE=DSeid] And [two more supers](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/) so far today. (One a former Clinton supporter and she picked up one new. But right now I’m just focused on Obama’s magic number.) [/QUOTE] From that article: New for Clinton: Rep. Chris Carney ¶. New for Obama: Rep. Peter DeFazio (OR). Switched C–\>O: Rep. Donald Payne (NJ). Plus, according to [DemConWatch](http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html), DNC member John Gage (MD) declared for Obama. So for the morning, Obama’s +3, Clinton’s +0, and Clinton’s superdelegate lead, per DemConWatch, is down to six and a half, 269.5 to 263. (The ‘half’ is a Clinton superdelegate from Guam; their supers get 1/2 vote each.) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1451 "2008-05-09T15:13:45Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] That’s two defections from Clinton in the past week, isn’t it? I think Obama picked up a formerly declared Clinton super from Virginia a couple of days ago. [/QUOTE] That would be correct - DNC member Jennifer McClellan of VA switched from Clinton to Obama on Wednesday. Just for this work week, Obama’s +15, and Clinton’s +1, net, in supers. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1452 "2008-05-09T15:25:25Z")
4q, Hrc! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1453 "2008-05-09T15:34:47Z")
[ABC’s Jake Tapper](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4818637&page=1) claims Obama’s taken the lead in superdelegates, 267 to 266. The problem is, nobody else has Obama’s total that high, or Clinton’s that low. And without a verifiable list of who ABC considers to have sided with whom, I just don’t buy it. We’re close, but we’re not there yet. That’s why I’m a big DemConWatch fan. They have a list of names, not just a count. And each name links to a news report authenticating their choice. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1454 "2008-05-09T16:17:50Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] [ABC’s Jake Tapper](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4818637&page=1) claims Obama’s taken the lead in superdelegates, 267 to 266. The problem is, nobody else has Obama’s total that high, or Clinton’s that low. And without a verifiable list of who ABC considers to have sided with whom, I just don’t buy it. We’re close, but we’re not there yet. That’s why I’m a big DemConWatch fan. They have a list of names, not just a count. And each name links to a news report authenticating their choice. [/QUOTE] They led on GMA this morning that Obama was now in the lead with superdelegates. George the-head Stephanopolos and Diane I’m-a-Hillary-supporter-to-the-end Sawyer reported that Obama took the lead. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1455 "2008-05-09T16:31:16Z")
Lookin’ good for Obama, isn’t it? Good on him not to seem overconfident or act as if he has it in the bag. Although he practically does. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1456 "2008-05-09T16:37:21Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] From that article: > [@](#): > > Quote: > Sen. Barack Obama, meanwhile, was on Capitol Hill, where even Republican lawmakers elbowed past colleagues in the House chamber to shake his hand. Nice! [/QUOTE] A lot of those crowding around him were reportedly calling him “Mr. President.” If thats not a signal to Hillary, I don’t know what is. The fat lady is holding the last note right now. ---
**Author:** ![stolichnaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@stolichnaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stolichnaya)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1457 "2008-05-09T16:44:11Z")
If’n I know anything about Hillary, that fat lady has the world’s most efficient larynx and the lung capacity of a blue whale. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1458 "2008-05-09T16:53:10Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] [ABC’s Jake Tapper](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4818637&page=1) claims Obama’s taken the lead in superdelegates, 267 to 266. The problem is, nobody else has Obama’s total that high, or Clinton’s that low. And without a verifiable list of who ABC considers to have sided with whom, I just don’t buy it. We’re close, but we’re not there yet. That’s why I’m a big DemConWatch fan. They have a list of names, not just a count. And each name links to a news report authenticating their choice. [/QUOTE] Good healthy skepticism there, RT. I think Hillary has a half-vote in there somewhere anyway, so Tapper can’t be right. But as of an hour ago, the AP has it at Clinton, 271.5 and Obama, 266. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1459 "2008-05-09T16:55:40Z")
Unless of course there is something that ABC wanted to be the first to report…if they are wrong then those numbers would either need to be corrected on national tv tonight on world news or they are actually right. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1460 "2008-05-09T16:55:53Z")
[QUOTE=Cervaise] Headline: [Clinton advisers talk exit strategy](http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004402372_dems09.html) [/QUOTE] Didja notice how very carefully this article does not mention Hillary speaking of an exit strategy? In fact it states she is still talking about winning. Ah well. Only a few more contests to go. . .. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=72) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=74)