# Fork Hillary 3: The Final Forking **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 18, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726 "2008-03-18T00:01:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 75
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1481 "2008-05-09T19:44:56Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] Didn’t the Munchkins sing a song something like, _"HI-HO the Witch is Dead, the Witch is Dead…HI-HO the Witch is Deeeeaaad!!!_ That may be appropriate soon. [/QUOTE] It’s “Ding-dong”, but I personally don’t want to go there, however much she and her campaign have infuriated me in this primary season. We need her supporters in November. I just keep repeating that and it helps me to not get TOO offensive toward them. That and trying to emulate Barack Obama’s demeanor and approach. I’ll admit that I’ve made some very nasty comments since February, and they may even have been deserved at the time, but we need that 48% or so of the electorate who have been cheering her on. And stuff like singing “Ding-dong the witch is dead” aren’t really helping them to move on to Obama. The primary is essentially over. We need to take the next 6 months and heal the party…it’s been a brutal season. If we don’t come together, we’re going to end up playing Hail To The Chief for Grampy McSame. ---
**Author:** ![Waenara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@Waenara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waenara)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1482 "2008-05-09T19:57:24Z")
[Obama wins praise from former rival John Edwards](http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0839956720080509). Is this great news or what? Has it been decided yet what will happen to the delegates that Edwards won? > [@](#): > > Edwards, who dropped his presidential bid in January, said Obama could unite the Democratic Party after a bruising nominating battle with New York Sen. Hillary Clinton and beat Republican John McCain in November’s election. > > “What he brings to the table is the capacity, number one, to unite the Democratic Party,” Edwards, a former North Carolina senator, told NBC’s “Today” show. > > “Number two, to bring in new voters, to bring in people who haven’t been involved in the process over a long time and to get people excited about this change.” ---
**Author:** ![tds1273](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df705f/32.png) [@tds1273](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tds1273)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1483 "2008-05-09T19:57:26Z")
How about a Clinton song for Obama? “They still call it the White House, but thats just a temporary condition. Can you dig it C.C.?” ---
**Author:** ![tds1273](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df705f/32.png) [@tds1273](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tds1273)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1484 "2008-05-09T20:03:34Z")
[QUOTE=Waenara] [Obama wins praise from former rival John Edwards](http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0839956720080509). Is this great news or what? Has it been decided yet what will happen to the delegates that Edwards won? [/QUOTE] I could be mistaken, but I believe most of his Iowa, or perhaps SC, delegates had gone over to the Obama camp at the next level of delegate electing conventions(legislative district?). I don’t know about NH or how the numbers broke down exactly however. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1485 "2008-05-09T20:10:25Z")
[QUOTE=tds1273] I could be mistaken, but I believe most of his Iowa, or perhaps SC, delegates had gone over to the Obama camp at the next level of delegate electing conventions(legislative district?)… [/QUOTE] I’d read something of the sort too. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1486 "2008-05-09T20:11:01Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] It’s “Ding-dong”, but I personally don’t want to go there, however much she and her campaign have infuriated me in this primary season. We need her supporters in November. I just keep repeating that and it helps me to not get TOO offensive toward them. That and trying to emulate Barack Obama’s demeanor and approach. I’ll admit that I’ve made some very nasty comments since February, and they may even have been deserved at the time, but we need that 48% or so of the electorate who have been cheering her on. And stuff like singing “Ding-dong the witch is dead” aren’t really helping them to move on to Obama.. [/QUOTE] I must agree - I got caught up in the moment of thinking of a song for Hillary. Unfortunately that was the first one that came to mind. However, I watched Obama field questions from Wolf Blitzer last evening and he was asked questions about John McCain. He told Wolf that he needs to concentrate on the rest of the primary, and not worry about McCain until his deal is sealed. The restraint and measurement he took responding to a guy like Wolf Blitzer was remarkable - I agree his supporters including myself, should follow that lead. But sometimes, **jayjay** - I remember all the nasties she threw at him blatently and I get a little tinge of angst towards her and her campaign. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1487 "2008-05-09T20:18:35Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] But sometimes, **jayjay** - I remember all the nasties she threw at him blatently and I get a little tinge of angst towards her and her campaign. [/QUOTE] How’s this for the middle ground? Oh what an exit! That’s how to go! When they’re ringing your curtain down Demand to be forked like Hillary C It’s quite a sunset And good for the party in a roundabout way We’ve made the front page of all the world’s papers today But who is this Hillary Clinton? Why all this howling hysterical sorrow? What kind of goddess has lived among us? How will we ever get by without her? She had her moments–she had some style The best show in town was the crowd Thinking the Casa Blanca, crying “Hillary C” But that’s all gone now As soon as the smoke from the campaign clears We’re all going to see and how she did nothing for years (apologies to Tim Rice) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1488 "2008-05-09T20:20:43Z")
Soon, the thorny growths of your _angs_t will bloom into snowy petals of _schadenfruede_ ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1489 "2008-05-09T20:29:01Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] They call her La Tostada, “She Who Is Toast”. Got a hunch it’ll be over before the weekend is up. [/QUOTE] [CNN is indicating they’ll stick it out until mid-June, but it’s mostly for show.](http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/09/dems.wrap/index.html) > [@](#): > > O’Donnell said the Clinton campaign then would make its case to the superdelegates for about a week after the primaries ended. > > “The superdelegates have no chance of moving over to Hillary Clinton in a week,” he said. “So for the Clinton campaign to say we will only make the case for a week, and then by June 15, we will have a nominee, that is to say she will drop out.” ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1490 "2008-05-09T20:31:49Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] Sorry…my inner Theater Geek slipped out there… [/QUOTE] Me, I’m hearing “Empty chairs at empty tables…” ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1491 "2008-05-09T20:41:10Z")
Four new superdelegate endorsements, all for Obama: DNC Vernon Watkins (CA) DNC Wilbur Lee Jeffcoat (SC) New Mexico add-on Laurie Weahkee (NM) Rep. Mazie Hirono (HI) That probably overlaps with the Yahoo link. Anyway, Hillary’s superdelegate lead is down to 1.5, on DemConWatch’s scorecard. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1492 "2008-05-09T20:50:25Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Soon, the thorny growths of your _angs_t will bloom into snowy petals of _schadenfruede_ [/QUOTE] I must admit I am happy - it is especially exciting for those of us who dared to believe Obama could do it. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1493 "2008-05-09T20:53:07Z")
For Hillary: _Closing time, every new beginning comes from some other beginning’s end_ ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1494 "2008-05-09T20:53:07Z")
Sadly, I feel that I am better informed by reading this thread than reading the news. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1495 "2008-05-09T20:55:36Z")
Given the sorry state of political journalism, one could be better informed by shoving one’s head up a hippo’s rectum. But that’s neither here nor there. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1496 "2008-05-09T22:00:42Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] [CNN is indicating they’ll stick it out until mid-June, but it’s mostly for show.](http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/09/dems.wrap/index.html) [/QUOTE] I doubt that it’s for show. As long as she’s in the race, she’ll be probing for some issue or sound bite she can exploit in order to stage yet another “comeback”, with the best-case scenario of a full-blown wrangle at the convention. Any perceived lull in the hostilities is just that - a temporary lull. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1497 "2008-05-09T22:05:15Z")
[QUOTE=Jackmannii] I doubt that it’s for show. As long as she’s in the race, she’ll be probing for some issue or sound bite she can exploit in order to stage yet another “comeback”, with the best-case scenario of a full-blown wrangle at the convention. Any perceived lull in the hostilities is just that - a temporary lull. [/QUOTE] I’m not so sure she is going to resurge against Obama. The country knows she’ll win WV and she may have a day or two of … something resembling a victory…but her stance is still the same, and she will still not be able to convince anyone to make her the president. All of this news the last week is in light of a loss in NC but a win in IN. This campaign is over on more fronts than simply what she may be able to dig-up in terms of soundbites. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1498 "2008-05-09T22:05:59Z")
MSNBC says that two of her top staffers are negotiating book deals, which according to the pundit is an exit signal. His reasoning was that a person who felt he was in line for a longterm White House job wouldn’t make that kind of commitment. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1499 "2008-05-09T22:39:02Z")
I agree that we who have been Obama supporters should follow Obama’s lead with regard to his feisty competitor. No gloating, etc. Hillary was amazingly resilient, fought a tough battle, has a lot of loyal supporters, and rubbing it in that she isn’t going to be the nominee isn’t going to help those supporters come around to supporting Obama, as we want. But besides which, let’s just be good sports. A toast to Hillary Clinton, for a game fought hard and well! She’s a fighter, and that’s not nothing. And then: Obama '08! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1500 "2008-05-09T23:02:04Z")
I can get on that train. And you _know_ the workout that it gave Obama is going to prove to have provided at least a certain level of inoculation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=74) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=76)