# Fork Hillary 3: The Final Forking **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 18, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726 "2008-03-18T00:01:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 79
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1561 "2008-05-13T02:38:09Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Clinton told patrons of Tudor’s Biscuit World in Charleston: “I keep telling people, no Democrat has won the White House since 1916 without winning West Virginia.” [/quote] At that point, customer Rita Bowling, munching on a biscuit dripping with cream gravy. said “Gee Mrs. Clinton, if a Presidential candidate can’t overcome precedent, what are you as a woman doing in this race? Shouldn’t you immediately drop out and urge your followers to support John Edwards?” I know that didn’t happen, but it’s nice to dream… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_Foxtrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc29f/32.png) [@Agent\_Foxtrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agent_Foxtrot)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1562 "2008-05-13T02:38:23Z")
[QUOTE=Gangster Octopus] Holy Crap! This is [hilarious](http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/12/14578/8227/288/514308). Hillary’s [own ad](http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/182.aspx) says this about the gas tax: [/QUOTE] Did anyone notice the sidebar with a link to Valerie **Plane** Wilson? Wow, Hillary really needs to fire her editor. ---
**Author:** ![Merkwurdigliebe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/74df32/32.png) [@Merkwurdigliebe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merkwurdigliebe)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1563 "2008-05-13T02:51:49Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] I really hope that this was some sort of failed attempt at humor. I’m not sure what it is doing in this thread in any case. [/QUOTE] Seems pretty accurate to me. At some point you have to call a spade a spade ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1564 "2008-05-13T03:39:50Z")
[QUOTE=Merkwurdigliebe] Seems pretty accurate to me. At some point you have to call a spade a spade [/QUOTE] Yeah, that gets even funnier the second time. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1565 "2008-05-13T05:33:27Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] It had to do with reading multiple articles on voters in West Virginia who are openly admitting to racial bias, thus living up to hillbilly stereotypes. [/QUOTE] Up? What, are you posting from Argentina this week? ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1566 "2008-05-13T08:38:42Z")
The [Telegraph](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/1951184/US-elections-Hillary-Clinton-thank-you-video-signals-pull-out.html) says that she’s going to pull out after Virginia. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1567 "2008-05-13T08:50:51Z")
[QUOTE=Quartz] The [Telegraph](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/1951184/US-elections-Hillary-Clinton-thank-you-video-signals-pull-out.html) says that she’s going to pull out after Virginia. [/QUOTE] I always find it dubious at best when British newspapers attempt US political analysis. But I hope it’s true. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1568 "2008-05-13T09:55:00Z")
Poor West Virginia. It just can’t catch a break. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1569 "2008-05-13T10:46:47Z")
[QUOTE=kidchameleon] Hillary’s even more forked: at Dulles today they had McCain and Obama cardboard cutouts and all the Hillary stuff was half-off. [/QUOTE] Heh! I’m posting from Denmark right now, and we flew through Dulles on Saturday and saw that, too. LOL ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1570 "2008-05-13T12:45:33Z")
I know that we’ve joked about [this](http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/) happening (after Clinton’s pursuit of them) but for real?!? > [@](#): > > In a move that is likely to cause some controversy, a Maryland pledged delegate has announced he is switching from Clinton to Obama … This presents a bit of a problem for the Obama campaign. While they would certainly welcome the vote in general, it does legitimize the Clinton proposed theory that pledged delegates can switch their votes, and therefore enables an argument that all delegates to the convention should be considered open to changing their vote. > > It will be interesting to see how the Obama camp responds to this. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1571 "2008-05-13T12:58:09Z")
[QUOTE=Quartz] The [Telegraph](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/1951184/US-elections-Hillary-Clinton-thank-you-video-signals-pull-out.html) says that she’s going to pull out after Virginia. [/QUOTE] Pull out and go where? Home? I agree then, she should pull out and go back to whichever state she is calling home now. **DSeid** most will and are playing by the rules, it’s not an open forum and most pledged delegates know this. Clinton may try something, but this nomination has been ticking down or a long while in Obama’s favor. A big win in WV today is just that…a big win in West Virginia, not much of a pull ahead, at all. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1572 "2008-05-13T14:25:17Z")
Even if she won 100% of WV, she’d still be far behind. And the Maryland guy had changed his mind before. He was for Obama early, then Clinton, and now Obama again. I wouldn’t pay him much attention. Meanwhile, pundits yesterday were still all about Clinton. What are her options? What can she do? What is she up to? Will she be the veep? How will she bow out? I mean, damn. What does it take for pundits to frame things around Obama rather than around her? Hell, on his fucking inauguration day, they’ll be reporting what Hillary is doing. By the way — 2 more superdelegates for Obama today. So far. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1573 "2008-05-13T14:40:41Z")
When all the attention being paid to Hillary is about exactly how and when her campaign will grind to a halt, I don’t begrudge her a little time in the spotlight. It’s a long way to November, and Obama will have plenty of media attention in the days to come. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1574 "2008-05-13T14:46:25Z")
Due respect, I’ll believe it when I see it. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1575 "2008-05-13T16:27:30Z")
Returning to campaign theme songs: in view of her recent remarks, Hillary’s new theme should be Sparks’ “White Women”. \*They walk without a swagger Their power’s on the wane But something deep within me Cries out all the same (it’s gotta be) White women everyday… As long as they’re white As long as they’re white As long as they’re white from head to toe\* ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1576 "2008-05-13T16:44:01Z")
Well, [now that there are at least 57 states](http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/barack-obama-wa.html), maybe Hil’s chances just improved! ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1577 "2008-05-13T16:54:12Z")
It’s probably her new goalpost for winning. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1578 "2008-05-13T16:55:56Z")
Did Texas pull that long-rumored splitting-into-separate-states trick? ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1579 "2008-05-13T18:38:28Z")
As to why HRC is staying in, someone either in this thread or another (sorry, can’t remember) pointed out that if the contest went to the convention, everyone would be glued to their set for the length of the convention, unlike the usual year of boring speeches and a fore-ordained conclusion. What better way to get the Democratic message across to millions? As long as HRC stops the attacks on Obama, I’m perfectly happy to let it go to the convention. With respect to closet vs. open racism, IMO the good thing about veiled racism is that it’s far less likely to be passed on to the next generation. Since racism is seen as something shameful in this country in general, parents are less likely to express it in front of their children, and teachers will certainly not preach it in the classroom. ---
**Author:** ![Burton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Burton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Burton)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1580 "2008-05-13T18:49:07Z")
[QUOTE=Oy!] With respect to closet vs. open racism, IMO the good thing about veiled racism is that it’s far less likely to be passed on to the next generation. Since racism is seen as something shameful in this country in general, parents are less likely to express it in front of their children, and teachers will certainly not preach it in the classroom. [/QUOTE] Do you have children? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=78) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=80)