# Fork Hillary 3: The Final Forking **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 18, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726 "2008-03-18T00:01:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 82
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1621 "2008-05-14T18:15:37Z")
“I are the change we had been waiting for…”? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1622 "2008-05-14T18:16:59Z")
All our changes belong to me? ---
**Author:** ![Jurph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/50afbb/32.png) [@Jurph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jurph)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1623 "2008-05-14T18:17:57Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] Yeah, I hadn’t noticed that before today. That actually lends a little credence to the theory that she’s trying to get Obama to cover her debt - I hadn’t believed that theory, but the denials from both sides made me wonder, and $20 million or $30 million is a lot to sink into a campaign. They won’t go broke, but I can understand even the Clintons being reluctant to do that. [/QUOTE] There was an AP story last week about how that debt is basically fine – if she wins the nomination, she can use the remaining weeks of fundraising to cover those debts and then start saving for the general. If she doesn’t, then she can move money around between her Senate re-election account and the pile she already has saved up for the general, and pay off everything except the debts from personal loans. In other words, she’s only gambling with her own money. ---
**Author:** ![stolichnaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@stolichnaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stolichnaya)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1624 "2008-05-14T18:23:57Z")
[QUOTE=Jurph] In other words, she’s only gambling with her own money. [/QUOTE] Well, moreso with the money of whoever still sends her money on the mistaken assumption that she has a chance of winning the nomination. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1625 "2008-05-14T19:21:15Z")
[QUOTE=Jurph] There was an AP story last week about how that debt is basically fine – if she wins the nomination, she can use the remaining weeks of fundraising to cover those debts and then start saving for the general. If she doesn’t, then she can move money around between her Senate re-election account and the pile she already has saved up for the general, and pay off everything except the debts from personal loans. In other words, she’s only gambling with her own money. [/QUOTE] Not quite true. She does need to pay off the debts to all but herself, so it is only her money she is gambling with, but she cannot use general election donations to pay off primary run debts. She cannot move money around. Those monies need to be returned (minus “handling fees”)h. Debts need to be paid by 120 days from reciept of the bill. ---
**Author:** ![Jurph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/50afbb/32.png) [@Jurph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jurph)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1626 "2008-05-14T19:31:24Z")
> [@Dseid](#): > > she cannot use general election donations to pay off primary run debts. She cannot move money around. See below: > [@AP Wire Report](#): > > Clinton might have another avenue at her disposal. The law permits her to transfer the presidential campaign debt to her Senate re-election committee, which would allow her to use contributions to the Senate account to pay off presidential campaign vendors. Clinton is up for re-election in 2012. > > Campaign finance lawyers say she also is entitled to transfer money she raised for the presidential general election to her Senate account, provided those donors agree to reassign the money. Clinton has raised more than $22 million for the general election. If donors approve transferring any of that money to the Senate committee, some lawyers said it appeared she could use it to pay off the debt. > > Others raised doubts, saying such use of money from general election contributors to retire primary debt would amount to double giving by those donors. So you’re right - she can’t just move the mopney; she would have to get permission to move the debt to her Senate campaign and _then_ pay it off with general election funds. The last sentence notes that it’s not entirely clear whether this is legal. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1627 "2008-05-14T19:52:24Z")
This emphasizes how she’s an ordinary person just like us. She moves her piles of money around the same way we all do. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1628 "2008-05-14T21:03:00Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] This emphasizes how she’s an ordinary person just like us. She moves her piles of money around the same way we all do. [/QUOTE] Yes, but she uses a front-end loader, while the rest of us use a wallet or purse. I can haz change? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1629 "2008-05-14T21:07:02Z")
Edwards will endorse Obama tonight! [http://thepage.time.com/](http://thepage.time.com/) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1630 "2008-05-14T21:22:01Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Edwards will endorse Obama tonight! [http://thepage.time.com/](http://thepage.time.com/) [/QUOTE] Yippeeee! Doesn’t mean much, but I’m glad to see it. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1631 "2008-05-14T21:22:09Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Edwards will endorse Obama tonight! [http://thepage.time.com/](http://thepage.time.com/) [/QUOTE] Just confirmed on CNN! 'bout freaking time he did. BTW, **Lib** , past – and rather bitter I might add – political arguments aside, I am really, really glad you see this man in the same light I do. Namely, while he is certainly not perfect, I think he represents the best choice the US has had in a looong time in terms of doing the greater good for the majority of Americans – and almost by default, due to your nation’s immense power, for the rest of the world. We _really_ need to come together. Glad to have you on-board. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1632 "2008-05-14T21:23:46Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Edwards will endorse Obama tonight! [http://thepage.time.com/](http://thepage.time.com/) [/QUOTE] Bold move. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1633 "2008-05-14T21:27:24Z")
Add that to Clinton’s more concilliatory remarks today and it really looks like she’s seen the writing on the wall. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1634 "2008-05-14T21:27:40Z")
I thought CNN’s website was interesting. In Big Red letters they’ve got **Edwards to Endorse Obama"** and next to that a quote from HRC - \* she said it would be a “terrible mistake” for her supporters to vote for John McCain over Barack Obama. "I’m going to work my heart out for whoever our nominee is – \* Heh…and here I thought CNN didn’t like Obama. 😉 [sup]_simulpost_[/sup] ---
**Author:** ![kevja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@kevja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kevja)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1635 "2008-05-14T21:34:28Z")
How brave of Edwards. :rolleyes: Talk about jumping on the bandwagon late. And what the hell is up with Obama wearing a flag pin? ---
**Author:** ![rikc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c57346/32.png) [@rikc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rikc)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1636 "2008-05-14T21:34:45Z")
For how mad her campaign has made me at times, I always and up feeling bad for Hillary when I see her like she was on CNN today. Edwards’ endorsement just makes me more upset that I can’t be in Grand Rapids tonight, ugh! ---
**Author:** ![Darryl\_Lict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7cd45c/32.png) [@Darryl\_Lict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darryl_Lict)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1637 "2008-05-14T21:34:49Z")
[NARAL](http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/05/naral_endorses.html), the National Abortion Rights Action League, endorses Obama. Ouch, that’s got to hurt, Hillary being a woman and all. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1638 "2008-05-14T21:38:58Z")
[QUOTE=rikc] For how mad her campaign has made me at times, I always and up feeling bad for Hillary when I see her like she was on CNN today. Edwards’ endorsement just makes me more upset that I can’t be in Grand Rapids tonight, ugh! [/QUOTE] He’s doing it in GR? Cool! So glad to see Michigan becoming part of the action! ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1639 "2008-05-14T21:39:32Z")
[QUOTE=rikc] For how mad her campaign has made me at times, I always and up feeling bad for Hillary when I see her like she was on CNN today. [/QUOTE] I feel the same way as I did when she lost her composure before New Hampshire. She’s only feeding fuel to the misogynists’ fires, if you will, and it doesn’t help the next qualified female presidential candidate when the time comes. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1640 "2008-05-14T21:43:43Z")
[QUOTE=BobLibDem] He’s doing it in GR? Cool! So glad to see Michigan becoming part of the action! [/QUOTE] They haven’t been? :eek: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=81) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=83)