# Fork Hillary 3: The Final Forking **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 18, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726 "2008-03-18T00:01:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 97
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2008, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1921 "2008-05-23T20:57:54Z")
[QUOTE=ratatoskK] From the [NY Times](http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/23/clinton-calls-vp-chatter-completely-untrue/index.html?hp) In other words, she’s implying that he’s going to be assassinated, so people should vote for her!!! :mad: [/QUOTE] Actually, I didn’t read her comments this way at all. I read them as saying “There have been plenty of other races where things were still in contest in June.” The Bobby Kennedy reference was just because that’s what we all remember about that primary. Not a reference or wish of harm to Obama at all. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2008, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1922 "2008-05-23T21:02:59Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] Actually, I didn’t read her comments this way at all. I read them as saying “There have been plenty of other races where things were still in contest in June.” The Bobby Kennedy reference was just because that’s what we all remember about that primary. Not a reference or wish of harm to Obama at all. [/QUOTE] Yes, but even with that interpretation, she’s full of crap. June was in play because California’s primary with its 300+ delegates was still in play. This year, California was in early February. So was New York, the other huge delegate state. There’s nothing on this end of the primary calendar that has the delegate load to justify a “Wait until June!” battle cry. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2008, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1923 "2008-05-23T21:03:54Z")
I never denied she was full of crap. I just don’t think she was calling for or wishing Obama’s premature demise. ---
**Author:** ![Merkwurdigliebe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/74df32/32.png) [@Merkwurdigliebe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merkwurdigliebe)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2008, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1924 "2008-05-23T21:05:40Z")
When will this nightmare end? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2008, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1925 "2008-05-23T21:05:41Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] I never denied she was full of crap. I just don’t think she was calling for or wishing Obama’s premature demise. [/QUOTE] Neither was Huckabee. But people who hear their dog talking to them don’t need a whole lot to put them over the edge. It was a fucking stupid thing to say. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2008, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1926 "2008-05-23T21:21:24Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Maybe Hillary and Hucklebee should form a third party ticket. [/QUOTE] Hillary and Hucklebee? Didn’t they work the vaudeville circuit? ---
**Author:** ![kevja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@kevja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kevja)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2008, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1927 "2008-05-23T21:21:29Z")
[QUOTE=Merkwurdigliebe] When will this nightmare end? [/QUOTE] I’m hoping the last day of the Democratic Convention in August. But I think it will be over by mid June. And Obama will be the nominee ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2008, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1928 "2008-05-23T21:35:59Z")
[Even Hillary super NY Governor David Paterson can see where this is going.\*](http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/22/paterson-slips-into-past-tense-on-clinton/) \*Sorry, couldn’t help myself. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2008, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1929 "2008-05-23T22:59:15Z")
From the article \*\*ratatoskK \*\*quoted, that says, “Between my opponent and some in the media, there has been this urgency to end this…” But, hasn’t Obama made it very clear in all his public statements that she can stay in the race as long as she’d like? I’ve not read anything that he said otherwise? ---
**Author:** ![ratatoskK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ratatoskk/32/2987_2.png) [@ratatoskK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ratatoskK)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2008, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1930 "2008-05-23T23:28:45Z")
I can’t wait to watch Keith Olbermann tonight… ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1931 "2008-05-24T00:22:09Z")
[A rather (IMHO) insightful commentary from the Stepmother Country](http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article3987286.ece): > [@](#): > > As she ratchets up her final efforts to wrest the nomination from Barack Obama’s grasp, she has finally cut herself free from the frayed moorings that connected her campaign with honesty and reality. (Any number of people are of the opinion that the separation took place long ago, but let it stand.) Regarding FL/MI, and the DNC’s ruling to disregard them: > [@](#): > > She compared her effort to overturn the decision not only to Al Gore’s controversial defeat in Florida in a disputed recount in 2000, but to the victims of tyranny throughout history - from enslaved blacks in pre-Civil War America to the cheated voters in the election in March in Zimbabwe. > > This is, truly, disturbing. It matters not whether it is a man or a woman saying it. It is not only hyperbolic and cynical. It is inflammatory nonsense. But it is at least of a piece with her increasingly desperate struggle. And in conclusion: > [@](#): > > Now, there is much talk that if Mrs Clinton cannot be president she must be Mr Obama’s vice-presidential nominee. But in her most recent speeches and actions she has surely demonstrated how dangerously unfit she would be. It would not be sexism or chauvinism but the clear-headed decision of a wise statesman, if Senator Obama brought this particular woman’s presidential hopes to an unmourned end. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1932 "2008-05-24T03:09:50Z")
[http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1258](http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1258) > [@](#): > > The endorsement by US Rep. Dennis Cardoza (D-California) of Obama today sends an extremely firm message to the Clinton campaign, and not only because he was, until today, a Clinton superdelegate. > > The Field has learned that Cardoza is the first of a group of at least 40 Clinton delegates, many of them from California, that through talking among themselves came to a joint decision that all of them would vote for Obama at the convention. They have informed Senator Clinton that it’s time to unite around Obama, and that they will be coming out, one or two at a time, and announcing their switch between now and the convention if Senator Clinton doesn’t do the same. > > Cardoza is one of the leaders of this effort (which includes not only superdelegates, but here’s something that should set off some paranoia in Camp Clinton: there are pledged Clinton delegates in “The Cardoza 40,” too). One Field Hand reports that during a recent Cardoza fundraising event in California the effort was discussed openly in front of other Democrats. Cardoza’s announcement, today, sent the message that the effort is serious and for real. Think she’s sweating? Cali is a lot more Pro-Obama now than when the election ran. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1933 "2008-05-24T03:16:23Z")
Even though it helps my candidate in this case, I’m still not comfortable with the idea of pledged delegates switching horses. I think Obama would probably do well to ask that all PD’s stick to their pledges. Voters need to have confidence that their votes are going to stay with who they voted for. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1934 "2008-05-24T03:59:59Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] From the article \*\*ratatoskK \*\*quoted, that says, “Between my opponent and some in the media, there has been this urgency to end this…” But, hasn’t Obama made it very clear in all his public statements that she can stay in the race as long as she’d like? I’ve not read anything that he said otherwise? [/QUOTE] BWAHAHAHA…silly mortal! You expect truth from either of the Clintons when making a dishonest point? They know that no matter how many there are such as we, who scrutinize their remarks closely and vet them for truth and accuracy, there are many, many times more who are totally ignorant of their duplicity and who can be counted upon to swallow whatever they say hook, line and sinker. I’ve often thought they must get together sometimes and chuckle over all the lies they can tell and all the shit they can get pull and still get people to vote for them, and I wonder who they feel the most contempt for: the nincompoops who swallow their bullshit, or those of us who don’t and who make it more difficult for them to fulfill their nefarious ambitions. Two more blatantly dishonest and morally bankrupt politicians I can’t think of in my lifetime. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1935 "2008-05-24T04:44:54Z")
I am awestruck at how bizarre, shrill and unglued HRC seems to be with each passing day. I respected her once, after a fashion… no more. She cannot be trusted with the Vice Presidency. A heartbeat away? Perish the thought. ---
**Author:** ![rikc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c57346/32.png) [@rikc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rikc)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1936 "2008-05-24T05:12:38Z")
I’m not so cool with pledged delegates switching, but article is certainly cool. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1937 "2008-05-24T05:20:16Z")
I’m not cool with pledged delegates switching, either. I find it amusing as heck that what Hillary called for may doom her, but I’m not cool with it. It’s damn significant, if true, though. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1938 "2008-05-24T06:03:26Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] …Two more blatantly dishonest and morally bankrupt politicians I can’t think of in my lifetime. [/QUOTE] Really. How very odd. I sure can. Oh, yeah. No problem at all, there. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1939 "2008-05-24T07:36:59Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] Two more blatantly dishonest and morally bankrupt politicians I can’t think of in my lifetime. [/QUOTE] Well, I can remember Johnson (Lyndon, not Andrew) and Nixon. And I have fond memories of Johnson (Lyndon, not Andrew), so dishonest and morally bankrupt is not always a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1940 "2008-05-24T10:17:28Z")
Every day that goes by I become more thankful that Obama has saved us from a potential Hillary Clinton presidency whether he wins or not. She seemed inevitable, and what a disaster that could’ve been. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=96) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=98)