# Fork Hillary 3: The Final Forking **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 18, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726 "2008-03-18T00:01:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 98
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1941 "2008-05-25T04:48:27Z")
[QUOTE=SenorBeef] Every day that goes by I become more thankful that Obama has saved us from a potential Hillary Clinton presidency whether he wins or not. She seemed inevitable, and what a disaster that could’ve been. [/QUOTE] I feel the same way. I feel like the only thing that will stop Hillary now is if the fat lady picks up a fork and stabs her with it. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1942 "2008-05-25T04:58:28Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] Two more blatantly dishonest and morally bankrupt politicians I can’t think of in my lifetime. [/QUOTE] You were born after Reagan? 😃 ETA: GWB? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1943 "2008-05-25T05:33:43Z")
[QUOTE=Lakai] I feel the same way. I feel like the only thing that will stop Hillary now is if the fat lady picks up a fork and stabs her with it. [/QUOTE] I think a wooden stake may be required. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1944 "2008-05-25T07:46:36Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Really. How very odd. I sure can. Oh, yeah. No problem at all, there. > [@Siam Sam](#): > > Well, I can remember Johnson (Lyndon, not Andrew) and Nixon. [QUOTE=tomndebb] You were born after Reagan? 😃 ETA: GWB? [/QUOTE] None of the aforementioned (or in **luci’s** case, insinuated) has anywhere near the Clinton’s history or reputation for dishonesty. The Clintons are virtually defined by it, so much so that for Hillary simply to tear up before the cameras launches a national debate as to whether or not her tears were real. Hillary and Bill both lie so much and so often and so blatantly that people have come to expect it from them. They lie so much that even their own supporters get turned off by it and speak out – ala David Geffen – about how troubling it is. None of the presidents mentioned have anywhere near this kind of reputation. Nixon didn’t, Reagan didn’t and GWB doesn’t. There were times when Nixon clearly lied, times when Reagan was alleged to have lied (and other times when he most likely did), and GWB’s alleged big lie is just that…alleged. I’m sure Kennedy, Johnson and Bush, Sr. may well have lied from time to time also. But there is a big difference between someone who lies occasionally and someone who lies habitually. The Clintons even lie when there’s nothing to be gained by it. One gets the feeling that they believe that, all things being equal, it’s better to lie. Their many other moral and character flaws aside, I stand by my assertion that the Clintons are the most blatant, prolific and shameless liars that American politics has ever seen. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1945 "2008-05-25T14:12:40Z")
Yours is a unique persepective. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1946 "2008-05-25T14:58:00Z")
Nah, we’ve from many with that POV. You want a unique perspective? [Here’s](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/) a unique perspective! > [@](#): > > “She can still be nominated. Don’t let anybody kid you,” Clinton said as the crowd of several hundred cheered. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1947 "2008-05-25T15:20:19Z")
[QUOTE=DSeid] “She can still be nominated. Don’t let anybody kid you,” Clinton said as the crowd of several hundred cheered. [/QUOTE] She’s referring to herself in the third person now? Freaky. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1948 "2008-05-25T15:29:31Z")
(That was Bill speaking.) ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1949 "2008-05-25T15:43:12Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] None of the aforementioned (or in **luci’s** case, insinuated) has anywhere near the Clinton’s history or reputation for dishonesty. None of the presidents mentioned have anywhere near this kind of reputation. Nixon didn’t, Reagan didn’t and GWB doesn’t. [/QUOTE] 😕 I was referring to Richard Nixon the president. I sure don’t know which Nixon you’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1950 "2008-05-25T15:50:37Z")
[QUOTE=Siam Sam] 😕 I was referring to Richard Nixon the president. I sure don’t know which Nixon you’re talking about. [/QUOTE] Apparently Cynthia Nixon from _Sex and the City_. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1951 "2008-05-25T19:49:52Z")
[QUOTE=DSeid] (That was Bill speaking.) [/QUOTE] Okay, a little less freaky, then. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1952 "2008-05-25T20:08:40Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] None of the aforementioned (or in **luci’s** case, insinuated) has anywhere near the Clinton’s history or reputation for dishonesty. The Clintons are virtually defined by it, so much so that for Hillary simply to tear up before the cameras launches a national debate as to whether or not her tears were real. Hillary and Bill both lie so much and so often and so blatantly that people have come to expect it from them. They lie so much that even their own supporters get turned off by it and speak out – ala David Geffen – about how troubling it is. None of the presidents mentioned have anywhere near this kind of reputation. Nixon didn’t, Reagan didn’t and GWB doesn’t. There were times when Nixon clearly lied, times when Reagan was alleged to have lied (and other times when he most likely did), and GWB’s alleged big lie is just that…alleged. I’m sure Kennedy, Johnson and Bush, Sr. may well have lied from time to time also. But there is a big difference between someone who lies occasionally and someone who lies habitually. The Clintons even lie when there’s nothing to be gained by it. One gets the feeling that they believe that, all things being equal, it’s better to lie. Their many other moral and character flaws aside, I stand by my assertion that the Clintons are the most blatant, prolific and shameless liars that American politics has ever seen. [/QUOTE] I’ve [started a thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=469369) about this. Your presence is welcome. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1953 "2008-05-25T22:00:07Z")
Obama was gracious in handling Hillary’s RFK-assassination gaffe. Good on him. When she’s pushing the nomination further and further away from herself, don’t get in the way. ---
**Author:** ![Darryl\_Lict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7cd45c/32.png) [@Darryl\_Lict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darryl_Lict)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1954 "2008-05-25T22:18:00Z")
Now Hillary is backpedalling on her apology about the RFK assassination [comment.](http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-talk/2008/05/clinton_camp_stokes_rfk_flap_b.html?hpid=topnews) Good God woman, let it go. Obama has graciously forgiven you, and now you are pinning the blame on his campaign. I used to respect you, but I’m starting to suspect you actually are truly deluded. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2008, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1955 "2008-05-26T03:26:28Z")
[QUOTE=Darryl Lict] Now Hillary is backpedalling on her apology about the RFK assassination [comment.](http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-talk/2008/05/clinton_camp_stokes_rfk_flap_b.html?hpid=topnews) Good God woman, let it go. Obama has graciously forgiven you, and now you are pinning the blame on his campaign. I used to respect you, but I’m starting to suspect you actually are truly deluded. [/QUOTE] Jimmy Carter is now saying publicly that Hillary will have to quit. Story [here](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/). ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2008, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1956 "2008-05-26T03:47:51Z")
[QUOTE=Darryl Lict] Now Hillary is backpedalling on her apology about the RFK assassination [comment.](http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-talk/2008/05/clinton_camp_stokes_rfk_flap_b.html?hpid=topnews) Good God woman, let it go. Obama has graciously forgiven you, and now you are pinning the blame on his campaign. I used to respect you, but I’m starting to suspect you actually are truly deluded. [/QUOTE] I think it’s more like a symptom of the zero-sum game mentality of the people surrounding her. It’s impossible for them to be gracious, or accept graciousness, when they have this mentality that anyone who opposes them is a sworn enemy, and they can’t afford the slightest concession to the enemy. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2008, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1957 "2008-05-26T04:05:56Z")
[QUOTE=Siam Sam] Jimmy Carter is now saying publicly that Hillary will have to quit. Story [here](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/). [/QUOTE] Here’s the link in case somebody wants to look at it in half an hour: [http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/25/carter-after-june-3-it-will-be-time-for-clinton-to-give-it-up/](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/25/carter-after-june-3-it-will-be-time-for-clinton-to-give-it-up/) ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2008, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1958 "2008-05-26T04:13:30Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] Here’s the link in case somebody wants to look at it in half an hour: [http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/25/carter-after-june-3-it-will-be-time-for-clinton-to-give-it-up/](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/25/carter-after-june-3-it-will-be-time-for-clinton-to-give-it-up/) [/QUOTE] Ah yes. Thanks. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1959 "2008-05-27T05:25:44Z")
Obama gained 6 superdelegates this weekend to Hillary’s 1. In pledged delegates, Obama gained 1 and Hillary lost 1. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726/1960 "2008-05-27T09:44:34Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] Here’s the link in case somebody wants to look at it in half an hour: [http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/25/carter-after-june-3-it-will-be-time-for-clinton-to-give-it-up/](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/25/carter-after-june-3-it-will-be-time-for-clinton-to-give-it-up/) [/QUOTE] They changed the date in the URL since last night. [Try this](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/26/carter-after-june-3-it-will-be-time-for-clinton-to-give-it-up/). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=97) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fork-hillary-3-the-final-forking/441726.md?page=99)