I’d say that the style of leadership (and personality by extension) DOES matter. How will the cabinet work? How will things be settled? With there be an idealism that prevents progress? Will there be teh good will necessary to move things that matter, or will enmity be bred to the point that cooperation is just too hard?
That matters. And personality and approach play into it. It IS one of the issues. It may not define policy right now, but it does give a sense as to what may happen down the road. I agree that the issues should matter - and a lot - I just count personality as part of it.
Obama’s back ahead of McCain in the Rasumussen daily poll. I think the Wright thing has run its course. I saw a poll on Fox earlier that said 71% of those polls thought Obabama had explained himself adequately in his speech. I think he’s recovering from that pretty nicely.
That depends on the candidates. I think it would be impossible for Hillary to reach that hard 35-40% who have been brainswashed by their radio puppetmasters to hate her for the last 16 years.
Hey, you were the one who attributed a position to “the Obama faction” rather than to the poster you were responding to.
Funny, that was this thread.
I guess you’re saying that most of the country is dumb and ignorant, because the presence of the candidates in a state did in fact make a big difference in most states.
Nah, Harborwolf has already nailed this one. I can’t improve on his response.
Were you not reading earlier in the thread? The Democrats voted almost unanimously for the change. They were not doing it (as spin now tries to indicate) because the bill had amendments; they voted 115 to 1 in favor of the change when the bill was still just about the changed date.
Where the hell did you get that from? The suggestion that the people of Florida and Michigan are underinformed because of the lack of a physical campaign there was yours, my friend (and you’re not retracting or “clarifying” it, either). The suggestion that it matters is your own entirely.
Unless, that is, you’re really just thrashing about for a rationalization to keep Clinton supporters disenfranchised - for their own good, evidently. If in that light, you’d at least be saying something coherent, if not respectable.
You have traditionally been better than that here.
Where the hell did you get that from? The suggestion that the people of Florida and Michigan are underinformed because of the lack of a physical campaign there was yours, my friend (and you’re not retracting or “clarifying” it, either). The suggestion that it matters is your own entirely.
Unless, that is, you’re really just thrashing about for a rationalization to keep Clinton supporters disenfranchised - for their own good, evidently. If in that light, you’d at least be saying something coherent, if not respectable.
You have traditionally been better than that here.
To repeat the point none here have addressed so far: What action, by anyone involved, would demonstrate “uniting leadership” on this problem? Why have we not seen it yet? This is an opportunity to show it, and convince current nonsupporters, isn’t it?
DC: That there is a good definition of the challenge of leadership - facing problems directly and broadly, looking for and deciding upon optimal * solutions (there are almost never * perfect ones available, and their lack is not an excuse for doing nothing, as you seem to suggest), working to obtain buy-in from the key stakeholders, and doing what it takes to implement them.
So when do we get to see it? zoo, “as agreed” by whom, exactly? And under what assumptions and assurances?
I should have replied to anomalous, sorry:
No doubt about anything you said. And, when there is so little disagreement on the issues as there is here, then personality, and its effect on actually getting those issues taken care of, is not just a part of the decision but essentially is the decision.
Because there isn’t a solution. Florida already shot down the idea of a re-vote. The only thing that would get Michigan to agree to a re-vote would be somebody cutting them a check. Keeping the votes as they stand is a possible solution in Florida, but not in Michigan where Hillary was the only candidate of note on the ballot.
Basically, it’s fubar. There’s no leadership that will get us out of it.
Is the DNC playing Calvinball? I believe the rules were very clear before the race started. Weather or not they were fair is a matter of opinion. The parties involved all agreed to them before the first vote.
One candidate wants to modify the rules to her advantage, the other wants to keep them the same to his advantage. I think his position is more reasonable.
Well, did it or did it not make a difference in the polling in a whole bunch of other states when the candidates actually spent time campaigning there? You know the answer to that one as well as I do.
So if I should expect the residents of Michigan and Florida to be as fully informed in the absence of a campaign in their states, as the residents of other states were with a campaign there, then doesn’t that suggest that since this demonstrably wasn’t true in the other states, the citizens of those states are, as you suggest, “just too dumb or ignorant to have their views count anyway”?
That seems to be your, and only your, position.
I disagree. I can’t see any way I could have improved on Harborwolf’s response to you.
Idle thought: is there anyplace, any time, when Hillary was under sniper fire when she arrived in some strange locale? Some episode that she, years later, might’ve inadvertently confused with Bosnia?
Not that I would cut her much slack for that at this point. She insisted this was the true story long after being called on it by others.
Not to mention, Chelsea was there too. C’mon, Hillary, was Bill going to send his wife and daughter to some place that was too dangerous for him to go? Gimme a fuckin’ break.
Doubtful. I don’t think they’d send anyone even mildy important into an area with active snipers. If they did, they’d be covered in military escort similar to McCain’s trip to Iraq.
The suggestion that the people of Florida and Michigan are underinformed because of the lack of a physical campaign there was yours, my friend (and you’re not retracting or “clarifying” it, either). The suggestion that it matters is your own entirely.