[QUOTE=SenorBeef]
Every day that goes by I become more thankful that Obama has saved us from a potential Hillary Clinton presidency whether he wins or not. She seemed inevitable, and what a disaster that could’ve been.
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I feel the same way.
I feel like the only thing that will stop Hillary now is if the fat lady picks up a fork and stabs her with it.
[QUOTE=Starving Artist]
Two more blatantly dishonest and morally bankrupt politicians I can’t think of in my lifetime.
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You were born after Reagan? 
ETA: GWB?
[QUOTE=Lakai]
I feel the same way.
I feel like the only thing that will stop Hillary now is if the fat lady picks up a fork and stabs her with it.
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I think a wooden stake may be required.
[QUOTE=tomndebb]
You were born after Reagan?
ETA: GWB?
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None of the aforementioned (or in luci’s case, insinuated) has anywhere near the Clinton’s history or reputation for dishonesty. The Clintons are virtually defined by it, so much so that for Hillary simply to tear up before the cameras launches a national debate as to whether or not her tears were real. Hillary and Bill both lie so much and so often and so blatantly that people have come to expect it from them. They lie so much that even their own supporters get turned off by it and speak out – ala David Geffen – about how troubling it is.
None of the presidents mentioned have anywhere near this kind of reputation. Nixon didn’t, Reagan didn’t and GWB doesn’t. There were times when Nixon clearly lied, times when Reagan was alleged to have lied (and other times when he most likely did), and GWB’s alleged big lie is just that…alleged. I’m sure Kennedy, Johnson and Bush, Sr. may well have lied from time to time also.
But there is a big difference between someone who lies occasionally and someone who lies habitually. The Clintons even lie when there’s nothing to be gained by it. One gets the feeling that they believe that, all things being equal, it’s better to lie.
Their many other moral and character flaws aside, I stand by my assertion that the Clintons are the most blatant, prolific and shameless liars that American politics has ever seen.
Yours is a unique persepective.
Nah, we’ve from many with that POV. You want a unique perspective? Here’s a unique perspective!
[QUOTE=DSeid]
“She can still be nominated. Don’t let anybody kid you,” Clinton said as the crowd of several hundred cheered.
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She’s referring to herself in the third person now? Freaky.
-Joe
(That was Bill speaking.)
[QUOTE=Starving Artist]
None of the aforementioned (or in luci’s case, insinuated) has anywhere near the Clinton’s history or reputation for dishonesty.
None of the presidents mentioned have anywhere near this kind of reputation. Nixon didn’t, Reagan didn’t and GWB doesn’t.
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I was referring to Richard Nixon the president. I sure don’t know which Nixon you’re talking about.
[QUOTE=Siam Sam]
I was referring to Richard Nixon the president. I sure don’t know which Nixon you’re talking about.
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Apparently Cynthia Nixon from Sex and the City.
[QUOTE=DSeid]
(That was Bill speaking.)
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Okay, a little less freaky, then.
-Joe
[QUOTE=Starving Artist]
None of the aforementioned (or in luci’s case, insinuated) has anywhere near the Clinton’s history or reputation for dishonesty. The Clintons are virtually defined by it, so much so that for Hillary simply to tear up before the cameras launches a national debate as to whether or not her tears were real. Hillary and Bill both lie so much and so often and so blatantly that people have come to expect it from them. They lie so much that even their own supporters get turned off by it and speak out – ala David Geffen – about how troubling it is.
None of the presidents mentioned have anywhere near this kind of reputation. Nixon didn’t, Reagan didn’t and GWB doesn’t. There were times when Nixon clearly lied, times when Reagan was alleged to have lied (and other times when he most likely did), and GWB’s alleged big lie is just that…alleged. I’m sure Kennedy, Johnson and Bush, Sr. may well have lied from time to time also.
But there is a big difference between someone who lies occasionally and someone who lies habitually. The Clintons even lie when there’s nothing to be gained by it. One gets the feeling that they believe that, all things being equal, it’s better to lie.
Their many other moral and character flaws aside, I stand by my assertion that the Clintons are the most blatant, prolific and shameless liars that American politics has ever seen.
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I’ve started a thread about this. Your presence is welcome.
Obama was gracious in handling Hillary’s RFK-assassination gaffe. Good on him. When she’s pushing the nomination further and further away from herself, don’t get in the way.
Now Hillary is backpedalling on her apology about the RFK assassination comment. Good God woman, let it go. Obama has graciously forgiven you, and now you are pinning the blame on his campaign. I used to respect you, but I’m starting to suspect you actually are truly deluded.
[QUOTE=Darryl Lict]
Now Hillary is backpedalling on her apology about the RFK assassination comment. Good God woman, let it go. Obama has graciously forgiven you, and now you are pinning the blame on his campaign. I used to respect you, but I’m starting to suspect you actually are truly deluded.
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Jimmy Carter is now saying publicly that Hillary will have to quit. Story here.
[QUOTE=Darryl Lict]
Now Hillary is backpedalling on her apology about the RFK assassination comment. Good God woman, let it go. Obama has graciously forgiven you, and now you are pinning the blame on his campaign. I used to respect you, but I’m starting to suspect you actually are truly deluded.
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I think it’s more like a symptom of the zero-sum game mentality of the people surrounding her. It’s impossible for them to be gracious, or accept graciousness, when they have this mentality that anyone who opposes them is a sworn enemy, and they can’t afford the slightest concession to the enemy.
[QUOTE=Siam Sam]
Jimmy Carter is now saying publicly that Hillary will have to quit. Story here.
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Here’s the link in case somebody wants to look at it in half an hour:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/25/carter-after-june-3-it-will-be-time-for-clinton-to-give-it-up/
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger]
Here’s the link in case somebody wants to look at it in half an hour:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/25/carter-after-june-3-it-will-be-time-for-clinton-to-give-it-up/
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Ah yes. Thanks.
Obama gained 6 superdelegates this weekend to Hillary’s 1.
In pledged delegates, Obama gained 1 and Hillary lost 1.
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger]
Here’s the link in case somebody wants to look at it in half an hour:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/25/carter-after-june-3-it-will-be-time-for-clinton-to-give-it-up/
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They changed the date in the URL since last night. Try this.