# Former staffer accuses Joe Biden of sexual assault **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 27, 2020, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393 "2020-03-27T03:13:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2020, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393/181 "2020-03-29T18:39:06Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Sure there is, when it didnt happen, and you are coming forward only to help your buddies Putin & Sanders. That’s not speaking out about their experiences. We don’t know the details behind this accusation. Until we do, speculating with denigrating attacks on the woman speaking out is wrong and adds to that giant pile of shit that society already throws at women who speak out about their experiences. I’ve said this over and over again, and you (among others) don’t seem inclined to either understand or care about the effect your words can have on other woman who have experienced or may experience assault or abuse. That’s a shame. Some things are more important than politics (and ignoring this accusation without a serious and thorough investigation is politically stupid anyway). ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2020, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393/182 "2020-03-29T19:00:26Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Grey, gray and muddy grey’s are almost a sure thing to find in sexual assault charges. What is the requirement of proof before deciding that the person should be removed, re-allocated, or not confirmed as the judge/president/candidate/santiation worker etc? Proof, schmoof. There is no question that Kavanaugh was nominated by the America-hating Fuckstick. That fact alone is reason why he should not have been confirmed. Ipso facto. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2020, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393/183 "2020-03-29T21:26:17Z")
NY Times , Wash Post, etc may be looking into her story and they are not yet ready to print anything until they finish looking into it. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393/184 "2020-03-30T00:36:21Z")
If the media is going to do a close investigation into Biden’s alleged sexual shenanigans, could they also finally do a _serious_ job on Trump’s? ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393/185 "2020-03-30T00:40:15Z")
This is horseshit. People are dying RIGHT NOW because of Trump’s bullshit. They are DYING. They are ceasing to exist. They can’t watch the news; they can’t do anything because they are decomposing into skeletons. Allegations of anything that happened years ago are utterly irrelevant and “the media” should stop helping get Trump elected again. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393/186 "2020-03-30T01:17:35Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Boy you’ve changed. Not really, though. **asahi** has long been posting some pretty intensely crazy stuff. In this case, though, I suspect he might not be very far off the mark. Biden appears to be a cipher. Individual-ONE it a massive negative, but Biden does not look like much of anything at all. Given a choice between nothing and not-nothing, it seems like the voters prefer the latter, because, who wants nothing? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393/187 "2020-03-30T02:06:47Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That’s not speaking out about their experiences. We don’t know the details behind this accusation. Until we do, speculating with denigrating attacks on the woman speaking out is wrong and adds to that giant pile of shit that society already throws at women who speak out about their experiences. > … I notice all this is coming from a Sanders supporter. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393/188 "2020-03-30T02:36:31Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I notice all this is coming from a Sanders supporter. So what? Bernie is not going to be the D nominee. Unlike those other guys, Democrats generally prefer to put up comparitively decent candidates, and fully vetting them early on is a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393/189 "2020-03-30T02:43:14Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I notice all this is coming from a Sanders supporter. Please stop with that bullshit. This is not coming from the Sanders camp. Having said that, what ‘ **andy** ’ and others are saying about Biden and this allegation is some of the stupidest shit I’ve ever read from anyone on the left —- and I argued with **Shayna** in mid November 2016, the _peak_ of leftward stupidity. Joe Biden, to anyone with any sense for people at all, is a fundamentally decent older guy whose boundaries for personal contact are based on social norms from decades ago. Just like Al Franken, and also just like Al he’s going to be shunned and vilified and never forgiven by idiots who can’t distinguish between warmth and abuse. Fucking stupid fucks just might help reelect Donald J. Trump, an actual and admitted abuser of women. Americans are largely stupid. Don’t be a stupid American. Be a patriotic American and vote for the Democratic candidate for POTUS. And be even more patriotic and vote for your Democratic candidate for House representative and for Senator, and for your state elected offices. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393/190 "2020-03-30T03:50:19Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > …Joe Biden, to anyone with any sense for people at all, is a fundamentally decent older guy whose boundaries for personal contact are based on social norms from decades ago… This is what I believe, fwiw. I also believe those social norms were fundamentally sexist in a lot of ways, but even decent people tend to follow the social norms they grew up with. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393/191 "2020-03-30T03:55:21Z")
All these mentions of vetting as if it were completely foolproof. The alleged incident occurred decades ago with Biden and Reade the only people present. She didn’t make any report at the time. “Mr Biden. Have you ever sexually assaulted another person?” What else was he going to say besides “Nope!” The vetting committee can’t ask every person he has ever been in contact with if Joe ever did anything to them. Do I believe it happened? Dunno. Did I think someone would come forward with a complaint against Handsy Joe before November? Absolutely. He’s as much a poster boy for inappropriate contact with females as Trump. Do I think all SCOTUS nominees will face allegations for the foreseeable future, no matter who POTUS is? Also absolutely. It’s currently the go to page of the political playbook. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393/192 "2020-03-30T10:01:32Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I notice all this is coming from a Sanders supporter. Yeah. I was a Franken supporter too, and I responded to his allegations exactly the same way. I liked congressman Conyers too, and I responded to his allegations exactly the same. You might have noticed that I’ve responded to every allegation of sexual assault in the exact same way, regardless of the politics of the individual. I’ve noticed that you have not. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393/193 "2020-03-30T10:52:10Z")
Even when it smells like a bullshit political hit job, andy responds the same way! Beat that you unwoke bastards! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393/194 "2020-03-30T11:04:52Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Even when it smells like a bullshit political hit job, andy responds the same way! Beat that you unwoke bastards! Ha! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393/195 "2020-03-30T13:46:01Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Well, this is a little different. > > See, a long time lapse is understandable if the accussee is now just thrust upon the national stage, like Kavanaugh or Thomas. But this happened in 1993. Since then, Biden was Veep for 8 years- why not speak out then? And then Biden ran for President in 2016- why not speak out then? And why not speak out when Biden began his 2020 campaign. > > But why oh why would a Sanders supporter chose \*this \*moment, when Biden has pretty much won and sanders has no real chance- to speak out?:rolleyes: why? It’s obvious. Yes, it is obvious that someone chose to make this political. JUST like the Kavanaugh hearing, don’t you agree? ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393/196 "2020-03-30T13:57:06Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m not really concerned about changing the way society treats accused people, since society generally supports and defends powerful men accused of sexual assault. The exceptions are extremely rare. As a parallel, this is exactly the reason that this won’t get nearly the traction you want to provide for real change. Racism was/is treated the same way and we are still bumbling our way through that because you can’t just turn the tables and call it fair. AA, is a racist way to go about providing diversity. Believing the woman but doing nothing to insulate the accused is having the same effect. Fair is fair, across the board. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393/197 "2020-03-30T15:09:46Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > As a parallel, this is exactly the reason that this won’t get nearly the traction you want to provide for real change. Racism was/is treated the same way and we are still bumbling our way through that because you can’t just turn the tables and call it fair. AA, is a racist way to go about providing diversity. Believing the woman but doing nothing to insulate the accused is having the same effect. > > Fair is fair, across the board. Without conflating racism, affirmative action and why progressives are always getting everything wrong, provide a way to make it safe for women to come forward with allegations of sexual assault and have the accused be “insulated” from negative impact. Demonstrate how this process can be made more fair to all parties involved. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393/198 "2020-03-30T15:37:10Z")
It’s entirely likely that the Trump campaign/GOP has a \*\*\*bunch \*\*\*of women ready to come forward with such accusations against Biden, not just one woman (they understand, as well as anyone else, that accusations are much likelier to stick when made by many instead of just a few or one.) It would be very difficult for the Biden campaign to effectively dismiss all of them, even if most or all of them are false. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393/199 "2020-03-30T15:52:43Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > It’s entirely likely that the Trump campaign/GOP has a \*\*\*bunch \*\*\*of women ready to come forward with such accusations against Biden, not just one woman (they understand, as well as anyone else, that accusations are much likelier to stick when made by many instead of just a few or one.) It would be very difficult for the Biden campaign to effectively dismiss all of them, even if most or all of them are false. This has been predicted before, that #MeToo opens up the possibility of weaponizing fictional allegations – and that it’s somehow easy to manufacture credible accusations. I don’t buy it. This would require finding women who have had verifiable contact with Biden in the past, a willingness to lie in a life-changing way for politics, and eliminate the traces of connections with the political fixers trying to make it happen. People willing to be this evil generally have plenty in their history that would sink their credibility. We’ve seen it before with the hoaxes against Mueller and others. Journalists don’t just publish any old allegation they here – they (the good ones, anyway) do their due diligence and verify its credibility on multiple angles. We’ll see, but if there are suddenly tons of credible allegations, then IMO the likeliest explanation is that Biden did some shitty things. A lot easier to believe an old white guy was grabby vice some massive and perfectly executed political conspiracy. I take no opinion on the credibility of this particular allegation. I expect journalists (and hopefully the party) are still analyzing it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393/200 "2020-03-30T15:54:46Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Believing the woman but doing nothing to insulate the accused is having the same effect. The accused are already mostly insulated – to the nth degree if they’re wealthy and influential. If you think someone’s being treated unjustly, I’m all ears, but my eyes and ears tell me that accused folks like Trump, Kavanaugh, and many others, with very few exceptions, face zero consequences unless there are piles of rock-solid evidence against them, ala Weinstein and Cosby. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/850393.md?page=11)