Former theists turned atheists: what arguments were most effective in turning you?

My father was studying to be an Episcopalian minister when the motorcycle he and a fellow seminarian were riding to school on was struck by a fire truck. My mom was left with three kids and was pregnant, but we went to church every Sunday.

I could never make any sense out of it. God created everything, but somehow fucked it up? And to sort it out, he sent his son via a virgin? And only a tiny handful of the world’s population was even vaguely aware of it? And somehow by this man/god getting crucified we are all “saved”?

It never made any sense to me. But I could see that millions of others were enthralled by the story, and* that *fascinates me to this day (I’m in my fifties).

My kids never went to church, and they have much higher ethical standards than I do.

I’m the same as others; I was raised severely Southern Baptist in the rural South. I grew up in an area where there was little diversity in religion. There were Christians and then there were Catholics, and they were going to hell. It was such a negative experience, really - just hell and death and sin all the time. The one passage that had the biggest affect on me is the one where god hardens a man’s heart several times, effectively damning him. I could never get over that. It just seemed so fundamentally unfair. Plus even though evolution was not taught in my science classes, they basically rejected all science, which to me was plainly dumb and made me question other things.

When I was around 12, I was having general adolescent angst, and I started praying to Satan instead of Jesus. I worshiped Satan for a month with out telling anyone. My life was exactly the same as before, and I just sort of realized it was all pointless. I still thought atheists were evil at this point, so I kept going to my youth group until almost the end of high school in the hopes of having a change of heart. I’ve always wondered if I would have stayed faithful if I had belonged to a less ridiculous sect. A group of ladies came to my house to talk to my mom about my troublesome behavior once, and my crime was merely wearing pants.

Then I went away to college, experienced massive culture shock (Lutherans! Mormons! Muslims! Oh my!), realized they were good people, and then studied world literature enough to realize religion is just something people do. This board definitely helped me understand atheism more.

Wait what? You? Really? Why not? Don’t you want your kids to be…I dunno…rational?

I’m not an atheist, but I am agnostic.

I was raised Episcopal, and I believed bigtime. But I was confused about some things and started asking questions. No one would answer them, and my search for the answers led to the discovery that religion is a lie from start to finish.

It wasn’t any one thing. I grew up overseas until about about age 10 as a foreign service brat and my parents really never pushed church or religious instruction on us. I don’t know if I was ever a fully invested believer.

I loved science, and even as young person the Bible never made much sense to me. It read like a lot of supernatural mumbo jumbo. I was stunned adults held it out as an authoritative text. The more I learned about the origins of the Bible it became clear to me that while there was probably a historical basis for many of the people described in the text, the supernatural portions were all made up after the fact or the product of manic or delusional states.

In an odd way it’s kind of sad because I have many issues and questions in my life here I could use the guidance of divine being, but in the end I know all I have is me.

Life.

I was brought up Catholic. VERY Catholic. I even almost made the decision to try for priesthood.

The problem was that the older I got…the more I experienced life…watched myself, friends and family struggle with life that I started to question whether God really existed. All during this time I kept meeting people that would say “It is obvious God has a plan for my life…so many things have happened that indicate God is steering my life to good things” or some such.

Really? Seriously? Wow…because…well…I don’t see it. Sure doesn’t seem the case for me. In fact, God seems…cruel. My math background screamed “RIGHT SIDE OF THE NORMAL CURVE PERSON speaking to me”.

It was a long, slow process taking about 20 years to turn from hard-core Catholic to pretty much believing God didn’t exist which is where I’m at today. Weirdly enough, I still pray sometimes. I don’t know why because while God may exist…I really don’t think he does. Probably just a comfort/habit thing.

So, no argument really. Just life.

Education.

I was raised to be nothing in particular. A neighbor of my grandmothers ran a Vacation Bible School in her backyard, which started me going to her chuch (First Church of the Nazarene). For a while, I just enjoyed donuts scavenged from the grown up meeting, and singing. As I got older, and started attending services, I came to feel a great deal of regret and guilt over some awful things that had been happening in my life… with no answers from the youth group folks.

This, combined with a growing awareness that I was looked down upon (in some cases for good reasons) and the difficulty of getting to church after I had moved led me to leave the church, and drift around, spiritually for some years. I was never the evangelical type anyways. :slight_smile:

In High School I was introduced to paganism, of a Wiccan/Celtic variety, and practiced that for many years, feeling that I had found my niche. However, most of the other pagan’s that I met made me want to punch them in their crystal covered chakras. Clearly that wasn’t going to work out either…

About this time, I took an Astronomy class, that had at the start a bit on critical thinking and skepticism. I looked at my beliefs, and applied those lessons to them.

With some trepidation, I came to realize I was an athiest looking to belong to a group, rather than actually believing in anything, and I have been refering to myself as an athiest ever since.

I do not, and now think I may never have, believed in God, or Gods, or Goddess. I am the decider of my fate, and I make the rules I live by. I do my bes to live a good life, and help those that I can. As the only legacy we have is our children and the memories of those we leave behind (rather than a paradise or perdition), then it is best to do good in life.

For me it happened at a fairly young age, about 8 years old. I was always interested in fascinating stuff like UFO’s, aliens, ghosts, as well as dinosaurs and all kinds of science. I liked looking at any books and TV programs on these subjects I slowly figured out what was real and what wasn’t, including Santa! I don’t think I ever had any strong religious feelings, but when I figured out that some of these things could be made up, I just thought that God, the creation and all that were probably made up too.

The single moment I remember was in Sunday School being asked to draw a picture of God in heaven or some such thing. I couldn’t think of anything I could draw that wouldn’t seem ridiculous to me.

I still went to church for years. I would always sit in church and wonder how many other people in attendance, including the priests, knew it was all BS.

There was no single thing. I was raised by Catholic parents and went to Catholic grade school. I think I started to have questions around Confirmation. Even though it was supposedly about making an “adult” choice about accepting… something Jesus-y, I don’t even remember any more… no one ever actually asked me. We were taught certain answers as part of the Confirmation ritual, but there was never even the suggestion from anyone that there was an actual choice to make.

And I began to be aware of other things about religious dogma that didn’t make sense. And in parallel, I found some awareness that much of the history I was learning, in particular American history, was really mythology.

If I had to select the most important reason why I came to my understanding, it was reading – books of my choice and completely outside of the educational system. I devoured library books like food, and I read literally thousands before I got to highschool. It helped that I was an unpopular kid with no social life whatsoever. :stuck_out_tongue:

Raised Catholic and went to Catholic school through grade 6. Steeped in the faith. I always had the sense that the Bible was selective history. Slowly, over a number of years, hell, decades, the nagging questions and observations got the better of my faith.

Way back as a kid, I always remembered the passionless, droning call & response from the congregation sounded just like the way brainwashed cults are portrayed in the movies and on television. What the heck is the difference between a religion and a cult? Would I know the difference if I was in one?

And how come we don’t have miracles anymore? I’m talking good ol’ water to wine and fishes and loaves magic stuff. The world I lived in sure didn’t resemble Nazareth.

I remembered a section in my Catechism that struck me as odd. It was this illustration that said Fame is not God. Money is not God. Science is not God. Et cetera. That last one really stood out to me. Science is not God? No kidding. Why would they even include that? All I knew of science was as a school subject. It was like saying “Geography isn’t God.” Why the hell is the church calling out science? It seemed out of place and very suspicious.

My sister married a Bangladeshi guy and converted to Islam and my brother later came out as gay. I was forced to confront the disconnect that here are two people I love, who are charitable, kind human beings, yet they don’t get to go to heaven? How is that fair?

I had been an avid reader of the Straight Dope column in my local weekly. When I saw the reprinted column “Why do we celebrate Christmas on Dec. 25th?” I remember thinking "What a dumb question. That’s when Jesus was born. When else would you celebrate it. After reading the column, I was dumbstruck and felt betrayed by my church. They had always said that this was when Jesus was born and always whined about how secular society was taking the Christ out of Christmas! I was just some slacker who never cared to read his Bible, but the church leaders had, and they still let me believe in this story. It made me wonder what other information they were playing fast and loose with. Fuckers.

And if it was clear that our elected leaders of government can have ulterior motives and do shady things that goes against the principles they say they stand for, whose to say church leaders don’t do that too?

The more I really tried to absorb the stories in the Old Testament, the worse it got. These stories sounded identical to the kind of stories that we dismiss as Greco-Roman or Norse mythology. A serpent spoke human language? And this didn’t seem unusual to Eve? What did all the animals talk back then? Waitwhat? Jonah in the whale? C’mon. Moses had super powers? Really? :rolleyes: Okay, maybe those are all allegory and legend. But I was Christian. Christ was where it’s at. I’ll just stick with the New Testament and forget all that Old Testament nonsense.

Except the whole reason Jesus was tortured and died is to undo the original sin from Adam & Eve. If those Old Testament stories didn’t happen, why did Jesus have to die again?

Around this time, I remember going to church one Sunday and the priest used a Jewish stereotype (those Jews sure are good with their money) which really raised my hackles. After church, I marched straight into the rectory and called him on how irresponsible it was for a faith leader to reinforce stereotypes. He claimed it replied that it was a positive thing to be good with money, missing entirely the poison any stereotype has within it. That was it! Although I would still begrudgingly go to church with my Dad when I visited home, from here on in, I was done with these institutions of man! I decided then and there to go to the source. The Bible. The only problem is that I knew there were multiple versions. I thought (don’t laugh) I better go to the original copy (I said not to laugh!)

Then I discovered the sublime 3-part SDSAB masterpiece “Who Wrote the Bible.” After reading that, it dawned on me that none of this stuff was being written down as it was happening. For all the nitpicking we do on what these words mean, we’re going from something that was written down after the fact by people we don’t know and heavily edited by other people (who probably had their own agendas) over generations upon generations.

And that was it. If the historicity and authorship of the most reliable link to God is that dubious, I couldn’t believe anymore.

It was hard at first. Real hard. Giving up on the idea of heaven filled me with sorrow. But I got over it and eventually found that life was better without being under the constant omniscient surveillance by a disapproving God whose rules seemed arbitrary at best and fucked up at worst.

For me it was the concept of Silicon Heaven in Red Dwarf. :slight_smile:
OK, not really, but that was one more nail in the coffin lid.

Raised Pentecostal here.

My first doubts started when I was a teenager. The Rapture and Tribulation were frequent sermon topics and I heard many times that the Rapture was about to take place. After hearing this so much and after several dates/deadlines passing by and no Rapture, my skepticism starting to germinate.

Later on I lost my faith in an actual hell after several people people I care about died and based on the definition of being “lost” that they were in hell. I couldnt have faith in hell in anymore after that.

Finally I realize there was no real reason to believe any of the Christian doctrine not just hell.

After looking elsewhere in other faiths, I just came to conclusion that believing in any supernatural entities was something kinda childish.

I hope you convinced Sherman too. :stuck_out_tongue:

I was raised strongly Catholic and didn’t have any doubts whatsoever until after I was confirmed in high school. When I didn’t feel any different after confirmation, it was a “this is kinda odd” moment, but I pretty much put it aside.

I went to a very liberal college in Southern California, where I met my first openly gay friends and a whole lot of atheist friends. I remained religious in my church attendance as my attitudes changed, but it was easy because the pastor at the campus church was very, very liberal in his interpretation of Catholicism. In fact, if he’d been louder about it I am sure he’d have been told to shut up or be defrocked (served communion to non-Catholic Christians, positive toward committed premarital sex, etc.). By the time I graduated, I accepted that there was no evidence for a god, but I proudly believed anyhow. I was largely sticking with it for the community.

When I moved to Texas, it was a major shock. Folks in my church were blaming all their prior indiscretions on Satan in a way that seemed to avoid responsibility. As I became less sure of my beliefs, I stopped taking communion. Probably the last straw was when, on “Respect Life Sunday”, the priest told us that part of respecting life was opposing gay marriage. I wish I had walked out right then, instead of waiting until mass was done, but I thought “I already accept that there is no evidence for this stuff being correct, so why would I want to hang out with these assholes?” I kept going to church until I went home for Christmas, and I never went back.

Why no confirmation til high school? I think mine was in fifth grade.

I was never a super theist, we never went to church or really talked about religion or anything. The only reason I know I used to believe in a god was that I remember not believing any more.

My moment of atheist clarity was brought on my Dante’s Inferno. Actually it was brought on my the Dante’s Inferno whorehouse in Beetlejuice. I was probably 7 or 8 and my family watched that movie all the time.

One time I asked my mom what was up with that building with all the devil-ladies that Beetlejuice was so happy to see. She briefly explained that Dante’s Inferno was a poem a gentleman wrote about what he thought Hell was like, and a lot of people had based their ideas of what Hell was on his poem. I said “Wait, some guy just writes down some stuff he thought up and a bunch of people believe it now?” Mom said “Yeah, that’s basically it.”

It took a very short amount of time, maybe days maybe hours, until I realized that no one had ever come back from the dead to report back on what they saw, and basically everything written or spoken about the afterlife was just “Some guy just writes down some stuff he thought up and a bunch of people believe it now?” It’s entirely possible that I kept believing in Santa Claus longer than I believed in God. At least I could see that guy every Christmas at the mall.

That’s just when my church did it for everyone. I don’t think we were unusual in that respect.

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Since the time of the Second Vatican Council, the trend has been for Catholics to receive Confirmation later. Forty years ago, most Catholics were confirmed in the seventh or eighth grade. In the last twenty years, Confirmation has been moved to ninth and tenth grade.
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