# Former WHPS Scott McClellan accuses W Admin of misleading us into Iraq **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 28, 2008, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872 "2008-05-28T13:58:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872/21 "2008-05-28T18:11:54Z")
[QUOTE=ArchiveGuy] But what’s despicable is how McClellan blames the media for not doing its job in being more diligent about challenging the administration and its assertions. “Hey guys! Remember when, during the times I wasn’t overtly lying to you, I was being endlessly evasive, parsing my language, and using straw men as cover so as to not have to answer the questions you were asking me all those years? Well, that was _your_ fault!” :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] Not to defend Captain Flopsweat here, but he has a point. No, it’s not kosher for a WHPS to go up there and lie to the nation. However, it was painfully obvious to everyone but the most retarded Bushbot that he was completely full of shit. And what did Our Great American Press Corps do? They pretty much published White House talking points as “news” and called it an early day. McClellan should be put up against a wall for what he helped do to the nation, but the media deserves a hell of a lot of blame for what has happened and what is happening. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872/22 "2008-05-28T18:21:50Z")
Me and God just watching Scotty grow. A pair. At age 39. ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872/23 "2008-05-28T18:23:05Z")
[QUOTE=pepperlandgirl] It’s a _hell_ of a drug. [/QUOTE] I really couldn’t let that one go without proper kudos. You’re my new friend. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872/24 "2008-05-28T18:31:13Z")
[QUOTE=mhendo] That was my first thought too. [/quote] Me, too. I’m reminded of Colin Powell, who played a much bigger role. > [@](#): > > I think the appearance of this book tells us more about Scott McClellan than it does about the Bush administration. I wish one of them would say, during their resignation speech, that the reason they’re resigning is that they can no longer act as the spokesperson for such a corrupt administration. > > The appearance of this book was as predictable as the rising sun anyway. The standard career path for so many business and political insiders nowdays seems to be a tell-all book, usually a self-serving piece of shit designed to make themselves look good, and then doing the rounds of the talk shows. I hope no-one buys his book, and that the publisher loses money on it. Agreed. I hope to hell he doesn’t make much money off this book. But I’m afraid there will always be a market for it. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872/25 "2008-05-28T18:39:59Z")
[QUOTE=Baldwin] Too bad these folks never seem to grow principles about truth-telling until years after they’ve left the administration. [/QUOTE] Seriously. Fuck Scott McClellan and his fair-weather testicles. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872/26 "2008-05-28T18:55:07Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] I hope to hell he doesn’t make much money off this book. [/QUOTE] **I** hope to hell a lot of people read it, which means a lot of people buy it, and if McClellan makes $ off that, so be it; maybe it will inspire other Admin insiders to do the right thing for the wrong reason and turn their coats. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872/27 "2008-05-28T18:55:11Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] Seriously. Fuck Scott McClellan and his **fair-weather testicles**. [/QUOTE] Band name? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872/28 "2008-05-28T20:02:57Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Agreed. I hope to hell he doesn’t make much money off this book. But I’m afraid there will always be a market for it. [/QUOTE] [It’s #1 at Amazon now](http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books/ref=sv_b_3). Got any backup hopes? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872/29 "2008-05-28T20:11:18Z")
I hope his book hurts the McCain campaign. One thing that could stop it from doing that it is the righteous indignation of Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872/30 "2008-05-28T20:17:46Z")
Any chance that all of these MF will get their day in court? I mean how much more evidence is needed to charge the lot of them? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872/31 "2008-05-28T20:20:21Z")
[QUOTE=RedFury] Any chance that all of these MF will get their day in court? I mean how much more evidence is needed to charge the lot of them? [/QUOTE] With what? It is not a crime for the POTUS to lie to the public and the world. (Unless he’s testifying under oath.) It is an impeachable offense, because anything is an impeachable offense if Congress decides it is, but impeachment can do no more than remove a federal official from office, and he’ll be out by January anyway. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872/32 "2008-05-28T20:24:37Z")
Don’t get it. How can it NOT be a crime (you’re the lawyer **BG** , pick the charge) to LIE your country into a war? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872/33 "2008-05-28T20:40:01Z")
[QUOTE=RedFury] Don’t get it. How can it NOT be a crime (you’re the lawyer **BG** , pick the charge) to LIE your country into a war? [/QUOTE] It’s not a crime because there’s no law against it. (Who ever imagined we’d need one?!) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872/34 "2008-05-28T20:51:58Z")
Also – some people insist that sort of lie should be within a chief executive’s proper sphere of discretion anyway – or, at least, that there is no one to whom he can properly be held accountable for it. See [this thread.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=455418) ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872/35 "2008-05-28T21:16:44Z")
How about his contention that Libby and Rove met to get the Plame story straight? I think Libby may be off the hook for that but what about Rove? Yeah, I know, they can’t even get him to testify before Congress with a subpoena but maybe a criminal investigation can get it to stick. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872/36 "2008-05-28T21:59:57Z")
[QUOTE=Biggirl] How about his contention that Libby and Rove met to get the Plame story straight? I think Libby may be off the hook for that but what about Rove? Yeah, I know, they can’t even get him to testify before Congress with a subpoena but maybe a criminal investigation can get it to stick. [/QUOTE] I think that ship has sailed, as far as indicting Rove in the Plame Affair is concerned. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872/37 "2008-05-29T00:22:10Z")
You’re a lawyer, BrainGlutton? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872/38 "2008-05-29T00:41:52Z")
He pretty clearly stated that what he said was his opinion, and he’s not claiming any special knowledge or expertise, **Cisco**. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872/39 "2008-05-29T00:42:59Z")
[QUOTE=plnnr] For once, I’d like to have someone call a press conference in the middle of the shit storm and say, “OK, now that I have your attention…here’s what’s really going on.” [/QUOTE] For your reading pleasure: [Scott McClellan: An Alternate History](http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=d1d50eb4-f65c-4410-baad-2519913d5666) ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872/40 "2008-05-29T05:39:38Z")
[QUOTE=Captain Carrot] He pretty clearly stated that what he said was his opinion, and he’s not claiming any special knowledge or expertise, **Cisco**. [/QUOTE] Huh? I was commenting on this: > [@RedFury](#): > > (you’re the lawyer BG, pick the charge) I just wanted to know if BrainGlutton is actually a lawyer. If you read deeper into it than that I assure you you were mistaken. I’m interested in law and considering law school is all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-whps-scott-mcclellan-accuses-w-admin-of-misleading-us-into-iraq/450872.md?page=3)