# Formula 1 2017 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 24, 2017, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028 "2017-01-24T13:47:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![polar\_bear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ec9cab/32.png) [@polar\_bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/polar_bear)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/81 "2017-06-25T17:32:19Z")
Bottas got past Stroll about 20 meters before the finish line. Vettel had a little bit of oversteer that got Hamilton within a second, but no serious attempts at an overtake. Verstuurd vanaf mijn Moto G (4) met Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/82 "2017-06-25T17:58:20Z")
Cool. Stroll makes the podium. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/83 "2017-06-25T18:14:15Z")
What the fuck was Vettel thinking? What the fuck was Hamilton doing? How nasty must have that shoe been in that heat/humidity? Should Stroll shave his eyebrows and save a few kilos? Why did Kimi get a drive-thru? He was already in the garage when the red came out. šŸ˜• All questions to be examined in the next two weeksā€¦ Really, that should be the last race at that track. Itā€™s neat, and all, but not really suitable. Overall, Iā€™m fairly disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/84 "2017-06-25T20:10:22Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > What the fuck was Vettel thinking? What the fuck was Hamilton doing? I thought it was odd that the commentators (on MSNBC) were talking a lot about Hamiltonā€™s brake check (or not) of Vettel, then after Vettelā€™s retaliation and penalty they completely dismissed it. Even if he didnā€™t hit the brakes, looked like he was way behind the safety car, farther than the regs would allow, and did the same thing on the following restart. And I laughed a bit at Hamiltonā€™s post race comments with Buxton. He said the restarts were chaotic with passes and contact and the race stewards should learn something from that. Yeah, but so should the drivers. > [@](#): > > How nasty must have that shoe been in that heat/humidity? Masterful deflection by David Coulthard during the interviews; suggesting who, besides himself, should get the honor of a drink. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/85 "2017-06-25T20:56:38Z")
The stewards were clear from the telemetry that Hamilton did nothing wrong nor anything different from his previous restarts in the race. He certainly didnā€™t ā€œbrake-checkā€ anyone. In this case the fault was entirely Vettel and his deliberate barging of Hamilton was worthy of a black-flag. He has been very,very lucky. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/86 "2017-06-25T22:09:22Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > The stewards were clear from the telemetry that Hamilton did nothing wrong nor anything different from his previous restarts in the race. He certainly didnā€™t ā€œbrake-checkā€ anyone. Where did you hear that about the telemetry? I didnā€™t catch it in the telecast I saw. And did they say anything about staying within a certain distance of the safety car? ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/87 "2017-06-25T22:25:11Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Where did you hear that about the telemetry? I didnā€™t catch it in the telecast I saw. And did they say anything about staying within a certain distance of the safety car? it was mentioned in the Guardian article[here](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jun/25/daniel-ricciardo-wins-in-baku-after-hamilton-and-vettel-clash-on-track), the relevant paragraph > [@](#): > > Vettel insisted again afterwards that Hamilton had brake-checked him, although as race leader behind the safety car the British driver was entitled to control the pace and was proceeding slowly rather than suddenly braking. The FIA telemetry confirmed that he had not braked or lifted off unexpectedly. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/88 "2017-06-25T23:15:31Z")
Thank goodness for telemetry! Sure looked like Lewis lifted. No matter. Ramming him was stupid on Vettelā€™s part. Lucky indeed he didnā€™t get Black Flagged. I wonder if he gets any further sanctions before the next race? I suppose the FIA can do whatever they want. ---
**Author:** ![dzeiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/46a35a/32.png) [@dzeiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dzeiger)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/89 "2017-06-26T00:36:03Z")
> [@Dr.Girlfriend](#): > > I know who was on the podium (raise your hand if you saw that comingā€¦ didnā€™t think so!) Heck, at one point it was RIC-OCO-MAG, that would have been an even more interesting podium. I donā€™t really understand the idea behind the red flag penalties, but I really donā€™t understand the full concepts behind the red flag repair rules. Ocon can put his teammate into the wall, cause the red flag and damage himself to the point where if there werenā€™t a red flag heā€™d have ended up way out of contention, but there was, so he gets free repairs? As for the Hamilton bit, it does seem he was OK to the regulations, but ā€œleader controls the paceā€ is the same sort of vague bullshit that resulted in NASCAR having to institute explicit ā€œrestart zonesā€ a couple years ago. If the SC is a tiny speck in the distance, and thatā€™s legal to the regulations, thereā€™s a problem with the regulations. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/90 "2017-06-26T05:32:28Z")
Anyone watch the F2 race? One of the commentators, a French or French-Canadian guy? A little excitable, a little passionate? I didnā€™t catch his name, but it would be fine with me if he commentated on every race. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/91 "2017-06-26T05:47:07Z")
> [@Dag\_Otto](#): > > Anyone watch the F2 race? One of the commentators, a French or French-Canadian guy? A little excitable, a little passionate? I didnā€™t catch his name, but it would be fine with me if he commentated on every race. Didnā€™t catch him, but heā€™s got to be better than lip-smacking, ā€œrepeat what the other guy said, just use a different inflectionā€ but insert a ā€œBoy-oh-boyā€ David ā€œHonda Shillā€ Hobbes. Fuck. Iā€™m drunk and angry. I need to stop posting and go to bed. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/92 "2017-06-26T09:22:29Z")
> [@dzeiger](#): > > As for the Hamilton bit, it does seem he was OK to the regulations, but ā€œleader controls the paceā€ is the same sort of vague bullshit that resulted in NASCAR having to institute explicit ā€œrestart zonesā€ a couple years ago. If the SC is a tiny speck in the distance, and thatā€™s legal to the regulations, thereā€™s a problem with the regulations. It works fine 99% of the time. The regulations give latitude to penalise drivers if they go too slowly and fall back from the SC or if they back the field up and there is telemetry available to show this. I think the driver in the lead at the point of the SC has already been penalised by losing any lead he built up and giving them control of the restart pace is fair enough. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/93 "2017-06-26T10:03:31Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > I wonder if he gets any further sanctions before the next race? I suppose the FIA can do whatever they want. They can indeed, but I read there is a penalty point scheme for the driversā€™ racing licences. Vettel was apparently given 3 penalty points in addition to his stop-go, which takes his tally to 9 - if he reaches 12, itā€™s an automatic 1-race ban. Presumably the points disappear after a time, but heā€™s on thin ice at the moment - any similar infraction and it could drastically affect this yearā€™s title race. ---
**Author:** ![dzeiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/46a35a/32.png) [@dzeiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dzeiger)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/94 "2017-06-26T20:40:16Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > It works fine 99% of the time. The regulations give latitude to penalise drivers if they go too slowly and fall back from the SC or if they back the field up and there is telemetry available to show this. > I think the driver in the lead at the point of the SC has already been penalised by losing any lead he built up and giving them control of the restart pace is fair enough. Eh, 99% of the time it doesnā€™t lead to ramming, sure, but Iā€™ve almost never been happy with restarts after a safety car, too many cases where the leader has a multi-second lead before he gets to the start/finish line. If weā€™re worried about the ā€œfairnessā€ of the leader losing their lead under the SC, it seems like itā€™d be better to use a VSC-type of enforced gap. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/95 "2017-07-09T18:12:13Z")
Austria. Jeez, that was boring. But no David Hobbes! šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/96 "2017-07-09T19:01:55Z")
Okay. Iā€™m watching _F1 Extra_, and they are talking to Bottas. They put up a groovy close-up of the start lights and the front wheel. Clearly, the car starts to roll before the lights go out. Maybe just a few inches, maybe didnā€™t cross the line on the grid, but how is that _not_ a jump start? šŸ˜• Iā€™m no expert, but my understanding of the rules are if the car is in motion before the lights go out, that is a jump start. ---
**Author:** ![Remember\_me](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/82dd89/32.png) [@Remember\_me](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Remember_me)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/97 "2017-07-10T09:38:46Z")
There is a certain amount of tire movement allowed even before the red light go out. [Reportedly](https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/bottas-start-penalty-austria-fia-928763/), Bottas was within the allowed tolerances in that time period. Interestingly, FIA wont disclose just how much movement is allowed, fearing that teams would exploit these margins to gain an advantage. ---
**Author:** ![somepumpkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@somepumpkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/somepumpkin)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/98 "2017-07-10T14:02:58Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Austria. Jeez, that was boring. But no David Hobbes! šŸ˜ƒ Yaaawwwwnnnn. The last 5 laps did have me awake, though. And I actually made specific time for this one so I could post in this thread. Iā€™m usually 3-5 days late watchingā€¦ too late to come in here and play with you kids. So here I am but thereā€™s so little to comment on. I didnā€™t see the F1Extra footage. Iā€™m okay with any penalty that could be assessed to Mercedes šŸ™‚ but they seem to have dodged a (grazing) bullet. Did DR drink out of his shoe again? Thatā€™s quite gross. I donā€™t know who that bald-headed guy in Canada was that took a drink. Jean Luc Picard would have never šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![dzeiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/46a35a/32.png) [@dzeiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dzeiger)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/99 "2017-07-10T16:07:19Z")
Alonso has run in IndyCar. Riccardo has said a couple times that heā€™s like to give NASCAR a try. Bottas, it seems, may have career possibilities in NHRA drag racing. That was a holeshot win. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/100 "2017-07-10T16:19:35Z")
> [@Remember\_me](#): > > There is a certain amount of tire movement allowed even before the red light go out. [Reportedly](https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/bottas-start-penalty-austria-fia-928763/), Bottas was within the allowed tolerances in that time period. Interestingly, FIA wont disclose just how much movement is allowed, fearing that teams would exploit these margins to gain an advantage. I think I heard during a NASCAR telecast that when they say thereā€™s a 55 mph speed limit on pit lane that itā€™s really a 60 mph limit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028.md?page=6)