# Formula 1 2017 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 24, 2017, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028 "2017-01-24T13:47:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/101 "2017-07-10T19:31:49Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Okay. I’m watching _F1 Extra_, and they are talking to Bottas. They put up a groovy close-up of the start lights and the front wheel. > > Clearly, the car starts to roll before the lights go out. Maybe just a few inches, maybe didn’t cross the line on the grid, but how is that _not_ a jump start? 😕 > > I’m no expert, but my understanding of the rules are if the car is in motion before the lights go out, that is a jump start. I didn’t see F1 Extra or any super slow-mo shots, but I advanced a standard slow-mo frame by frame, and it was pretty clear to me that the light changed before he started to move. [Here’s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXdAPDKFR4I) a video that makes it look like he started in the same frame (1/30th of a second) as the light went out, but not before. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/102 "2017-07-11T03:26:58Z")
That vid wasn’t as clear as the split screen they did on F1 Extra (one camera on the lights, the other on the right front wheel). He moved before the lights went out, but must not have crossed that little box they have to park in. It could have only been a few inches, but hey! Momentum! 😃 Perfect start! Most exciting talking point of that snooze-fest. ---
**Author:** ![dzeiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/46a35a/32.png) [@dzeiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dzeiger)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/103 "2017-07-11T19:20:37Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I think I heard during a NASCAR telecast that when they say there’s a 55 mph speed limit on pit lane that it’s really a 60 mph limit. Correct, NASCAR cars do not have a pit limiter, nor do they have a speedometer, and NASCAR gives them a 5mph cushion before assigning a penalty. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/104 "2017-07-11T20:19:36Z")
> [@dzeiger](#): > > …NASCAR gives them a 5mph cushion before assigning a penalty. Which the teams use every bit of that they can get away with, right? ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/105 "2017-07-15T00:42:33Z")
During practice today, they talked about the Bottas “jump start”, and explained it away with a bunch of vague double-talk. And a word they kept using was “reaction”. Bottas _anticipated_, not reacted. He got damn lucky. You can’t “react” to something that hadn’t happened. He moved before the lights went out. He anticipated, and got it right. A silly, minor quibble, but it’s pissed me off all day. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/106 "2017-07-15T20:27:31Z")
Leigh Diffy just pronounced the name of a popular athletic shoe, “Add-uh-das”. 😕 Is this a thing where he is from? Never, _ever_ heard it pronounced like that. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/107 "2017-07-15T21:45:29Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Clearly, the car starts to roll before the lights go out. Maybe just a few inches, maybe didn’t cross the line on the grid, but how is that _not_ a jump start? 😕 Is the track level at that point? Releasing the brake when there’s a downhill slope could cause the car to roll forward. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/108 "2017-07-16T13:56:13Z")
That was a cracking race. Thrilling right to the end and lots of fights all the way through the field. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Girlfriend](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.girlfriend/32/193_2.png) [@Dr.Girlfriend](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/109 "2017-07-16T16:55:08Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > During practice today, they talked about the Bottas “jump start”, and explained it away with a bunch of vague double-talk. And a word they kept using was “reaction”. > > Bottas _anticipated_, not reacted. He got damn lucky. You can’t “react” to something that hadn’t happened. He moved before the lights went out. He anticipated, and got it right. > > A silly, minor quibble, but it’s pissed me off all day. 😃 I’m a little late to the party… but yeah, Bottas got lucky. I’m good with it though! Just finished watching this week’s race. I mostly had it on for background noise as I was expecting a snooze-fest but at least the last few laps were interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/110 "2017-07-16T19:22:48Z")
If, by interesting, you mean disappointing. 😉 Kimi must live in a house of broken mirrors. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/111 "2017-07-16T19:54:19Z")
Both Vettel and Raikonnen had problems. To me, this points to a team misunderstanding of the tyre. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/112 "2017-07-30T20:43:55Z")
Hungary: Almost a perfect race. Ferrari 1-2 and Hamilton off the podium. It’s going to be a looong month without racing. ---
**Author:** ![dzeiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/46a35a/32.png) [@dzeiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dzeiger)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/113 "2017-07-31T02:09:29Z")
“It’s the Haas way. They bump one of yours in the first corner, you push one of theirs into the grass!” ---
**Author:** ![somepumpkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@somepumpkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/somepumpkin)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/114 "2017-07-31T18:29:56Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Hungary: Almost a perfect race. Ferrari 1-2 and Hamilton off the podium. > > It’s going to be a looong month without racing. I’ll agree with most of this but it wasn’t exactly perfect. Well, unless we’ve come to expect Max V doing something stupid in the race. 🙂 I thought DR handled things very well in the mid-race interview with Will. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/115 "2017-08-01T16:08:35Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > What the fuck was Vettel thinking? Rightly, that the stewards wouldn’t heavily penalize a Ferrari driver. I am shocked that he didn’t get the black flag for that move. Hell, Verstappen got the same penalty this week for clearly accidental contact with Ricciardo. I suspect Hamilton is going to wind up winning the championship this year because there are more power circuits than twisty ones left on the calendar, but if he doesn’t, it won’t be because he gave third back to Bottas this week; it will be because the stewards fucked up at Baku. Okay, also possibly because Mercedes forgot to clip his cockpit canopy-thing in place. > [@Gatopescado](#): > > Leigh Diffy just pronounced the name of a popular athletic shoe, “Add-uh-das”. 😕 > > Is this a thing where he is from? Never, _ever_ heard it pronounced like that. It’s a thing wherever you’re from. The company is named for founder [Adolf “Adi” Dassler](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Dassler). We just pronounce it wrong in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Girlfriend](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.girlfriend/32/193_2.png) [@Dr.Girlfriend](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/116 "2017-08-11T16:41:00Z")
What do you guys think about Kubica testing in F1 again? Is Kubica with one arm better than Palmer with two? > **[Veteran F1 doctor backs Robert Kubica return plausibility](https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a1828006/veteran-f1-doctor-backs-robert-kubica-return-plausibility/)** > > The 32-year-old is looking to return to the grid for the first time in seven years ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/117 "2017-08-14T14:55:35Z")
As a driver? Doubt it. As a marketing exercise? Almost certainly. Given that Palmer’s long-term potential seems to be limited (I don’t think he’s as bad as others, but I don’t think he’ll ever be more than a midfield runner), they might as well take a flier on Kubica. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/119 "2017-08-22T18:43:31Z")
Reported. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/120 "2017-08-28T15:59:17Z")
While we are waiting for someone (anyone) to comment on Spa, check out these photographs. Reminds me of how much I miss film. [http://www.intoourworld.com/photographer-shoots-formula-1-with-104-year-old-camera-and-heres-the-results/](http://www.intoourworld.com/photographer-shoots-formula-1-with-104-year-old-camera-and-heres-the-results/) ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Girlfriend](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.girlfriend/32/193_2.png) [@Dr.Girlfriend](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2017, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028/121 "2017-08-28T23:42:33Z")
> [@Dag\_Otto](#): > > While we are waiting for someone (anyone) to comment on Spa, check out these photographs. Reminds me of how much I miss film. > > [http://www.intoourworld.com/photographer-shoots-formula-1-with-104-year-old-camera-and-heres-the-results/](http://www.intoourworld.com/photographer-shoots-formula-1-with-104-year-old-camera-and-heres-the-results/) Those pictures are cool, thanks for sharing! The most interesting part about Spa was watching the Force India guys try to take each other out again. That and Alonso’s radio meltdown… not that I blame him. I’ve said it before, I’d love to see Alonso come to IndyCar. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-2017/778028.md?page=7)