# Formula 1 Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** racing-auto-boat\ **Created:** [July 6, 2020, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544 "2020-07-06T22:39:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2021, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544/381 "2021-09-12T22:26:43Z")
Yes, I called this last year, in the 2020 F1 thread. Of course, it’s just common sense, anyone could have observed that they weren’t going to push aside the young blood just to give an old warhorse like Kimi a car with a realistic shot at the podium. He put his time in, that’s for damn sure. I hope he still pops up in interviews to entertain us - although when I imagine the retirement of Kimi Raikkonen, I picture him living in a cabin inside a cave underneath a mountain in the middle of the South Pole. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2021, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544/382 "2021-09-12T22:38:15Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > But that shoe thing is pretty repulsive. He’s an Australian, they are a resilient bunch. I’m sure a shoe isn’t the worst drinking vessel he’s ever used. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2021, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544/383 "2021-09-13T01:20:43Z")
Stewards blame verstappen… > **[Verstappen given three-place grid penalty for Hamilton crash · RaceFans](https://www.racefans.net/2021/09/12/verstappen-given-three-place-grid-penalty-for-hamilton-crash/)** > > Max Verstappen has been given a three-place grid penalty for the next race for causing a collision with Lewis Hamilton. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2021, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544/384 "2021-09-13T01:21:27Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > He’s an Australian, they are a resilient bunch. I’m sure a shoe isn’t the worst drinking vessel he’s ever used. Champagne is grape juice that yeast have been pissing and farting in, so I wouldn’t be too worried about a couple drops of foot sweat. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2021, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544/385 "2021-09-13T02:45:26Z")
And yet, when Lewis was alongside in the same way at Silverstone and sent Max at high speed to the shadow realm that was perfectly legitimate, somehow. Lewis Hamilton: the Tom Brady of F1. Gotta protect the champ, I guess. Also, Lewis never checked on Max when he hit him with the finisher a few weeks ago, never even asked. The announcers keep calling it a respectful rivalry. Yeah, no. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2021, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544/386 "2021-09-13T05:38:44Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > That crash was on Lewis Ha ha ha. No. Mostly on Verstappen, and if he bitches about his deserved penalty, Hamilton can point to Max’s own behaviour in Lap 1, never mind other races. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2021, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544/387 "2021-09-13T06:16:51Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > And yet, when Lewis was alongside in the same way at Silverstone and sent Max at high speed to the shadow realm that was perfectly legitimate, somehow. eh? Lewis was deemed to be mostly at fault and was given a ten second penalty. > [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > Also, Lewis never checked on Max when he hit him with the finisher a few weeks ago, never even asked. What incident are you referring to? ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2021, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544/388 "2021-09-13T10:43:29Z")
That ten-second penalty amounted to nothing. He won the race. Plus, they were allowed to fix his car under the red flag. No grid penalty, no penalty points, nothing. That wasn’t a punishment, at all. And that’s the incident I’m talking about. Max was in the hospital and Lewis never even asked about him while he was doing his celebration dance on the fencing after the race, never said that he hoped Max was OK during the post-race interview, nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2021, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544/389 "2021-09-13T11:39:30Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > That ten-second penalty amounted to nothing. He won the race. Plus, they were allowed to fix his car under the red flag. No grid penalty, no penalty points, nothing. That wasn’t a punishment, at all. Penalties are adjudicated with reference to the nature of the infringement, not the outcome. Always have been. You can’t realistically do it any other way. > [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > And that’s the incident I’m talking about. Max was in the hospital and Lewis never even asked about him while he was doing his celebration dance on the fencing after the race, never said that he hoped Max was OK during the post-race interview, nothing. Lewis asked specifically over the radio whether Max was OK or not, he did that immediately after the crash. You maybe weren’t following the coverage, I was. Max _later_ went to hospital for a check-up and Lewis did not know that whilst he was on the podium. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2021, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544/390 "2021-09-13T12:35:25Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > That ten-second penalty amounted to nothing. He won the race. Plus, they were allowed to fix his car under the red flag. No grid penalty, no penalty points, nothing. A ten sec penalty is massive. Just because he won doesn’t mean it wasn’t a massive penalty. It just shows how dominant he was that day. And it’s not like they only let Hamilton repair his car under the red flag. _everyone_ is able to. Grid penalties are usually only assigned when whatever infraction is determined before or after the actual race, as we saw this weekend. Now, I might actually agree that Hamilton might have deserved points on his superlicense. But the rest of your post is garbage. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2021, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544/391 "2021-09-13T15:34:27Z")
You should stop getting your coverage from Reddit. Hamilton asked if Verstappen was okay immediately after the accident over the radio, and the team advised him (apparently incorrectly) that Verstappen had been released from the hospital during the cool-down lap. As far as the 10-second penalty, the stewards never look at the effect of a penalty, just at whether it is appropriate based on the infraction. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544/392 "2021-09-13T17:44:35Z")
Bad call in my opinion. Shoulda let it slide as a ‘racing incident’. I still think Lewis is a putz. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2021, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544/393 "2021-09-17T22:32:31Z")
Great video here that nerds out over cars’ lap times over the years. It’s only 11 min long, but I would totally watch an expanded 2hr feature on this subject. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/pqSJDQhfq54/maxresdefault.jpg "The INCREDIBLE Evolution of Formula 1 Lap Times") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqSJDQhfq54) Also, the Schumacher documentary that just dropped on Netflix is…meh. I watched it and enjoyed it. But I’m not into this sport so much for the people as I am the the machines/engineering. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544/394 "2021-09-26T14:19:07Z")
Norris’ inexperience showed when he refused to pit for inters. At least he finished in the points. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2021, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544/395 "2021-09-27T00:24:57Z")
Indeed. I loved seeing Hamilton’s 100th win, but I would rather have seen Norris’s 1st. Great race overall. Lots of drama all throughout the race and the grid! ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2021, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544/396 "2021-09-27T03:20:31Z")
There wasn’t much, if any, commentary on it, but Leclerc was the big winner of the start. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2021, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544/397 "2021-09-29T02:20:52Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Norris’ inexperience showed when he refused to pit for inters I think Lewis would have beaten him anyway, no matter what he did. Catching him too fast, too late. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544/398 "2021-09-30T16:33:07Z")
This is unfair. Both Norris and Hamilton didn’t want to pit because they could get round in the conditions they were on. Neither could possibly know what the weather was going to do. The difference was that Mercedes overruled Hamilton because they saw more rain coming. All McLaren did was say “it’s quite slippery, what would you like to do?”. Not only is that not giving him the right information it was probably counter-productive. He already knew it was slippery. They needed to tell him the information he didn’t have - that heavy rain was imminent. On top of this, Hamilton had little to lose in coming in. The drivers behind him were on inters and more than a pit stop behind. Norris and McLaren would risk a loss of track position if the call to pit was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544/399 "2021-09-30T20:45:46Z")
I thought a few people here might be able to appreciate this. I was travelling through upstate New York last week, and I went by Watkins Glen. I went to the track just to see it, and because of the history of the place. That was the site of the US Grand Prix in the '60s and '70s. Graham Hill, Jim Clark, Jackie Stewart, Niki Lauda, Mario Andretti, and all the greats of that era drove there. And for thirty bucks, they let me drive there, too. They don’t let you go completely nuts; there’s a pace truck that leads you onto the track, and there’s no passing allowed. There were about a half-dozen cars in my group. The guy in that lead truck knew what he was doing. I was climbing the hill through the esses at about 60. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544/400 "2021-09-30T21:35:28Z")
That’s cool. I assume it’s a run what you brung setup? How many laps do they let you get in? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formula-1-thread/914544.md?page=21)