# formulaone, you are fooling no one **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 10, 2013, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358 "2013-04-10T22:52:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![formulaone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3da27b/32.png) [@formulaone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/formulaone)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358/181 "2013-04-11T23:29:28Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The arguments you present as “strong arguments from the other side” are so pathetic that you’re either seriously deficient in the brain department or are presenting them disingenuously. > > Also, white people overwhelmingly reject such arguments, and support for racist causes has diminished to tiny levels, despite a slight resurgence since Obama was elected. > > To sum up- the racists’ arguments are laughably weak, as is their support among white people. So it’s not realistic that you could actually be worried that they’re catching on- it’s far more likely that you’re faking it to make some feeble point. Either way, you’re an idiot. Alright… Look, I used the wrong term. They are not really arguments. In our business they are called talking points. It doesn’t matter if they are true or false really; if they are repeated enough they become part of the public psyche. That is how advertising works. And they are definitely beginning to have this effect on more and more white people. That’s just the way that this works. Now, there is something that I have been trying to tell you people since I have started posting herre. There is no doubt but that we anti-racists wanted white people racially assimilated right off the face of the planet. We didn’t have a problem with this post World War 2 until recently, because the other side has finally begun to understand that basic agenda of white assimilation. The white dissidents call it ‘white genocide’…Call it whatever you damn well please, it doesn’t matter, the fact is that it refers to–up to this point–a well hidden truth that we wanted white people to be, for lack of a better term, eradicated for all intents and purposes. They are taking this message to their people and it is now isololating those of us who maintain the traditional anti-racist positions of open immigration into white countries and all of that policy’s concomitant political measures. In essence, more and more white people are coming to the conclusion that us anti-racists are nothing more than evil anti-white genocidal freaks who want to kill them and their children This process will continue to gain momentum until we find counter points to effectively undercut their points. That is why I’m here. I’m not here to insuld and vent like some people I know. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358/182 "2013-04-11T23:30:30Z")
Has a white guy who marries a black woman committed a crime? If so, of what sort and against whom? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358/183 "2013-04-11T23:35:53Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > Alright… Look, I used the wrong term. They are not really arguments. In our business they are called talking points. It doesn’t matter if they are true or false really; if they are repeated enough they become part of the public psyche. That is how advertising works. And they are definitely beginning to have this effect on more and more white people. That’s just the way that this works. No, they’re having less and less effect on white people. White support for racist causes has been extremely low for decades… their (your) heyday was before the 60s. > [@](#): > > Now, there is something that I have been trying to tell you people since I have started posting herre. There is no doubt but that we anti-racists wanted white people racially assimilated right off the face of the planet. We didn’t have a problem with this post World War 2 until recently, because the other side has finally begun to understand that basic agenda of white assimilation. The white dissidents call it ‘white genocide’…Call it whatever you damn well please, it doesn’t matter, the fact is that it refers to–up to this point–a well hidden truth that we wanted white people to be, for lack of a better term, eradicated for all intents and purposes. No, this is what the ridiculous racist caricature of the “anti-racists” (which apparently consists of the great majority of America, white and non-white) is- you don’t appear to have any idea what people who oppose racism actually want. > [@](#): > > They are taking this message to their people and it is now isololating those of us who maintain the traditional anti-racist positions of open immigration into white countries and all of that policy’s concomitant political measures. In essence, more and more white people are coming to the conclusion that us anti-racists are nothing more than evil anti-white genocidal freaks who want to kill them and their children No, less and less white people are coming to this conclusion. It’s a dying argument- it’s been dying for decades, but it’s still dying, and pathetically refuses to accept it. You’re a pathetic loser, just like the pathetic loser racists you’re pretending to not be a part of. The losers who can’t accept that the great majority of white people in America (and elsewhere) treat the racist cause with derision, scorn, and mockery. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358/184 "2013-04-11T23:41:59Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > Alright… Look, I used the wrong term. They are not really arguments. In our business they are called talking points. It doesn’t matter if they are true or false really; if they are repeated enough they become part of the public psyche. That is how advertising works. And they are definitely beginning to have this effect on more and more white people. That’s just the way that this works. > > Now, there is something that I have been trying to tell you people since I have started posting herre. There is no doubt but that we anti-racists wanted white people racially assimilated right off the face of the planet. We didn’t have a problem with this post World War 2 until recently, because the other side has finally begun to understand that basic agenda of white assimilation. The white dissidents call it ‘white genocide’…Call it whatever you damn well please, it doesn’t matter, the fact is that it refers to–up to this point–a well hidden truth that we wanted white people to be, for lack of a better term, eradicated for all intents and purposes. > > They are taking this message to their people and it is now isololating those of us who maintain the traditional anti-racist positions of open immigration into white countries and all of that policy’s concomitant political measures. In essence, more and more white people are coming to the conclusion that us anti-racists are nothing more than evil anti-white genocidal freaks who want to kill them and their children > > This process will continue to gain momentum until we find counter points to effectively undercut their points. > > That is why I’m here. I’m not here to insuld and vent like some people I know. Well ok, just please define what “White” actually means. I have had a very difficult time getting this term clearly defined today. **Capt** ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358/185 "2013-04-11T23:44:56Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > Alright… Look, I used the wrong term. They are not really arguments. In our business they are called talking points. It doesn’t matter if they are true or false really; if they are repeated enough they become part of the public psyche. That is how advertising works. **And they are definitely beginning to have this effect on more and more white people.** That’s just the way that this works. Please provide some evidence that the bolded statement is true. Or not, of course, since the post this quote came from has yet another instance of you pretending to oppose the people who promulgate the “talking points.” But if you’re going to favor my request, I suggest you do it quickly. ---
**Author:** ![formulaone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3da27b/32.png) [@formulaone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/formulaone)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358/186 "2013-04-12T00:16:22Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > Well ok, just please define what “White” actually means. I have had a very difficult time getting this term clearly defined today. > > **Capt** A basic definition of white people from the anti-racist perspective would be the following; White People are those people on the planet that we have told repeatedly that they must accept their own racial assimilation in their own countries, such that, the social contruct called the ‘white race’ ceases to exist. Nobody says it better than Noel Ignatiev: “The goal is to bring together a coilition of minorities in such a way that the White race is unable to reproduce itself.” -Noel Ignatiev Now that is a man who understands what the white race is and how to kill it. The point is people is that we have defined the white race and the white dissidents also get this. They have told me this because I have used the same rhetorical question to segway into a discussion of genetic non-definability of ‘whiteness.’ Again there was a time when this ploy worked brilliantly because we could get them tailgating ad infinitum on this one side issue. Not now, for the simple reason that there friggin mantra identifies which specific populations are being systematically targeted by us anti-racists, those being, the indigenous white people of Europe and those European derived founding people of the Americas. In other words, it is we anti-racists who have literally defined who is white by virtue of how systematically and doggedly we have tried to target-assimilate them out of existence. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358/187 "2013-04-12T00:26:32Z")
You keep getting weirder as we go along. Good for you! ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358/188 "2013-04-12T00:35:39Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > They have told me this because I have used the same rhetorical question to segway into a discussion of genetic non-definability of ‘whiteness.’ You _could_ have just walked in instead. It must be hard to post on one of those things. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358/189 "2013-04-12T00:35:57Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > A basic definition of white people from the anti-racist perspective would be the following; > > White People are those people on the planet that we have told repeatedly that they must accept their own racial assimilation in their own countries, such that, the social contruct called the ‘white race’ ceases to exist. > > Nobody says it better than Noel Ignatiev: > > “The goal is to bring together a coilition of minorities in such a way that the White race is unable to reproduce itself.” > > -Noel Ignatiev > > Now that is a man who understands what the white race is and how to kill it. > > The point is people is that we have defined the white race and the white dissidents also get this. They have told me this because I have used the same rhetorical question to segway into a discussion of genetic non-definability of ‘whiteness.’ > > Again there was a time when this ploy worked brilliantly because we could get them tailgating ad infinitum on this one side issue. Not now, for the simple reason that there friggin mantra identifies which specific populations are being systematically targeted by us anti-racists, those being, the indigenous white people of Europe and those European derived founding people of the Americas. > > In other words, it is we anti-racists who have literally defined who is white by virtue of how systematically and doggedly we have tried to target-assimilate them out of existence. Well that’s about as clear as milk **Capt** ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358/190 "2013-04-12T00:39:04Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > Well that’s about as clear as milk > > **Capt** Of all the opaque things in the world, you had to pick one that is known for its whiteness. Next thing I know you’ll be mandating that we put Nestle Quick into every bit of milk to make it browner, you anti-racist fiend! ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358/191 "2013-04-12T00:47:34Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > Nobody says it better than Noel Ignatiev: > > “The goal is to bring together a coilition of minorities in such a way that the White race is unable to reproduce itself.” > > -Noel Ignatiev > > Now that is a man who understands what the white race is and how to kill it. You got a cite for that, so that we can see the context? Since you didn’t even spell coalition right, I’m pretty sure it’s not a copy/paste. Keep in mind that this is the same (admittedly out there) guy who [said](http://racetraitor.org/): [QUOTE=Noel Ignatiev] When we say we want to abolish the white race, we do not mean we want to exterminate people with fair skin. **We mean that we want to do away with the social meaning of skin color** , thereby abolishing the white race as a social category. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Fluffy\_PickleSniffer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/77aa72/32.png) [@Fluffy\_PickleSniffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fluffy_PickleSniffer)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358/192 "2013-04-12T00:57:52Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Of all the opaque things in the world, you had to pick one that is known for its whiteness. Next thing I know you’ll be mandating that we put Nestle Quick into every bit of milk to make it browner, you anti-racist fiend! I’m using Ovaltine in my milk - does that count? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358/193 "2013-04-12T01:12:21Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > If ANTI-RACIST == ANTI-WHITE…that means by logical deduction that: > > RACIST == WHITE You CAPITALIZED the wrong word. Your silliness should have read: **IF** anti-racist == anti-white…that means by logical deduction that: racist == white. This would have put the emphasis where it was most important, on the IF. Since the statement “anti-racist == anti-white” is false (and nothing you have posted supports that absurd claim), then there is no reason to accept your purported conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358/194 "2013-04-12T01:13:09Z")
> [@Fluffy\_PickleSniffer](#): > > I’m using Ovaltine in my milk - does that count? Well, I guess you need the [decoder ring](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_decoder_ring) to figure out what the racists are trying to say now. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358/195 "2013-04-12T01:17:49Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > …Now, there is something that I have been trying to tell you people since I have started posting herre. There is no doubt but that we anti-racists wanted white people racially assimilated right off the face of the planet… Wait a minute… I’m against racism, but I don’t call myself an anti-racist. I call myself a normal, thinking human. Do I count? Or do I need to add a negative preface to whatever I am? Anti- this, or Anti- that? I just think people are cool, that’s all. Is there a meeting I should attend where I can get my proper Anti- credentials? Opposing racism dosen’t require an Anti tag. Being opposed to humankind does. ---
**Author:** ![Fluffy\_PickleSniffer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/77aa72/32.png) [@Fluffy\_PickleSniffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fluffy_PickleSniffer)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358/196 "2013-04-12T01:18:41Z")
Oh, darn! :mad: I’ve never been able to get-oh wait. OH DARN! I’ve NEVER been able to get those decoder rings to work properly! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358/197 "2013-04-12T01:20:51Z")
Heh. I only just now got the joke in this guy’s handle. formulaone is all about RACE. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358/198 "2013-04-12T02:04:02Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Heh. I only just now got the joke in this guy’s handle. > > formulaone is all about RACE. :rolleyes: aha! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358/199 "2013-04-12T02:32:05Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > But you are missing the point here. I get that equation all the time from white dissidents, that is, So fucking what? You are claiming they have a logical argument. The logic is provably wrong. In fact, it’s wrong in so many ways it’s hard to figure out where to start (I just picked one way at random). So, you’re saying we need to engage rationally and logically with people who use provably irrational and illogical arguments? What the ever loving fuck is wrong with you? You take bad arguments at face value. You ask us to engage with people who clearly want nothing to do with facts, who actually actively ignore facts and lie outrageously, who think nothing of perverting reason and claiming shadowy conspiracies to explain their obvious irrationality and ignorance. You yourself use their own bad arguments in some twisted perversion of reason. So, again, because you are one of the dumbest fucks I have ever encountered: WHAT THE EVER LOVING FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358/200 "2013-04-12T02:35:02Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > This would have put the emphasis where it was most important, on the IF. Doesn’t matter. Even if the “if” part was true, the conclusion still isn’t logically supported. The arguments fails on more than one level. The epic wrongness of the argument in so many ways tickled me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358.md?page=11)