# Fornicate the Democrats for voting down the public option **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 29, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028 "2009-09-29T20:51:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![MeDrewNotYou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@MeDrewNotYou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeDrewNotYou)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028/61 "2009-10-27T20:58:57Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > The public option is not dead. It was part of a couple bills ,not all. It actually has momentum right now. Yeah, but Lieberman’s little stunt here makes it that much more difficult. I trust Pelosi and the House to pass a decent bill, and I still think Reid will pull through. (Reconciliation, if nothing else. It makes things messier, but should still get the job done.) Its just that this throws a kink into things which we’d be better off not having, all so Lieberman can be a dick\*. I think [Steve Benen’s explanation](http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_10/020648.php) here is apt: appeal to Republicans because Dems sure as hell won’t vote for him in 2012. ETA- \*I can see the political reasons he’d do this, but it feels like a dick move, and besides, we’re in the Pit. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028/62 "2009-10-27T21:59:47Z")
> [@MeDrewNotYou](#): > > I trust Pelosi and the House to pass a decent bill There’s your first mistake… ---
**Author:** ![MeDrewNotYou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@MeDrewNotYou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeDrewNotYou)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028/63 "2009-10-27T22:24:55Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > There’s your first mistake… Point taken. 🙂 How about I trust the Progressive Caucus to ensure we aren’t totally screwed over. Although even that is a tall order. Maybe the best that can be said is that House Progressives have finally shown some backbone. Even then, they aren’t saying they’ll kill a bill w/ a mandate but no public option… Let’s just say I’m about as happy with the party as a Democrat can get. Damning with faint praise and all that. ---
**Author:** ![Nan\_Sequitur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e36b37/32.png) [@Nan\_Sequitur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nan_Sequitur)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028/64 "2009-10-27T22:34:43Z")
Ah. Joe Lieberman. I knew I would find him in the Pit. A man so two-faced, I fully expect to wake up someday to see the headline: “Lieberman Beaten to Death by Own Jowls”. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028/65 "2009-10-27T22:40:58Z")
They should bring it to a vote. Then if the repubs filibuster, make them carry it out. Let the repubs stand up and show the people how badly they are bought off by insurance companies. If the repubs don’t have the guts to filibuster, then 51 votes is all that is needed. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028/66 "2009-10-27T22:47:34Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > They should bring it to a vote. Then if the repubs filibuster, make them carry it out. Let the repubs stand up and show the people how badly they are bought off by insurance companies. If the repubs don’t have the guts to filibuster, then 51 votes is all that is needed. Agree, they should call Lieberman and the Repubs out on their bluff. Let the American people see where their true sympathies lie. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028/67 "2009-10-29T02:37:26Z")
And don’t bring a watered down bill to the floor. It was weakened to get repubs on board. Fuck them. If it is too weak it will not work and the repubs will shout" I told you the government can not run anything" . Just do it right. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028/68 "2009-10-29T03:10:40Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Just do it right. And while you’reat it, ram a red hot poker up Lieberman’s nether regions, and call his insurance company about it before Joe gets to the hospital. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028/69 "2009-10-29T15:19:43Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > There’s your first mistake… Yeah, whatever. Yours is being a conservative. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028/70 "2009-10-29T15:38:47Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > And while you’reat it, ram a red hot poker up Lieberman’s nether regions, and call his insurance company about it before Joe gets to the hospital. I think you may have misunderstood the definition of “pre-existing condition”. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028/71 "2009-10-29T15:52:48Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I think you may have misunderstood the definition of “pre-existing condition”. 😃 It doesn’t really matter. The irony of it is that Lieberman, as a senator, has GOVERNMENT-FUNDED INSURANCE. Government-funded insurance that’s MUCH better than the relatively barebones public option he’s threatening to help filibuster. Put your big insurance company donors’ money where your mouth is, Joe, and opt out of your Senate Fatcat Insurance Plan! It’s a public option, after all, and that obviously can never work. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028/72 "2009-10-29T16:16:56Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > And while you’reat it, ram a red hot poker up Lieberman’s nether regions, and call his insurance company about it before Joe gets to the hospital. He has health insurance. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kearsen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028/73 "2009-10-29T19:33:40Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > I’d really like to see a comprehensive analysis of Senators and Representatives’s views on public option and money donated to their campaign by insurance lobbyists. This should be public knowledge of ANY and ALL bills and who gets money from where. That sort of transparency certainly would stop a lot of the corruption filling Congress. ---
**Author:** ![MeDrewNotYou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@MeDrewNotYou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeDrewNotYou)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028/74 "2009-10-30T01:05:42Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Yeah, whatever. Yours is being a conservative. I think he had a point on that one, though. Pelosi and the House aren’t as bad as the Senate, but they can and do screw over liberals and progressives plenty. That said, I’m content with her today. The bill could be better, but seems decent, [according to summaries.](http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/10/29/798476/-The-2010-Reforms-in-the-House-Healthcare-Reform-Bill) (link to the PDF at the top) You are wrong on the whole conservatism thing, though, **Sam** 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028/75 "2009-10-30T01:57:53Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > They should bring it to a vote. Then if the repubs filibuster, make them carry it out. Let the repubs stand up and show the people how badly they are bought off by insurance companies. If the repubs don’t have the guts to filibuster, then 51 votes is all that is needed. Let no other business come to the floor either. How long would they have to the stomach to keep it up? It would be interesting to see how that would play out. ---
**Author:** ![BlinkingDuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@BlinkingDuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlinkingDuck)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028/76 "2009-10-30T15:11:07Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > So basically, we’re not reforming health care after all. Of course we are! We are requiring everyone to purchase health care and go to private insurance companies to do it. Also, I’m pretty sure they will start taxing employer-subsidized health insurance as income for you. This means, what, about a $2000 fed tax increase for these families…plus more state? We will all be so much better off. ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028/77 "2009-10-30T19:41:00Z")
[Joe to campaign for Republicans](http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/10/30/2114134.aspx) Gawd damn the Dems are wussies. Un-freakin-real. ---
**Author:** ![MeDrewNotYou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@MeDrewNotYou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeDrewNotYou)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028/78 "2009-10-30T22:39:33Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > [Joe to campaign for Republicans](http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/10/30/2114134.aspx) > > Gawd damn the Dems are wussies. Un-freakin-real. Say what you will about congressional Republican caucuses (Cauci?), but I know for a fact that they’d strip someone\* who shilled for Obama of chairmanships and probably expel them from the caucus. And they’d be entirely correct to do so. Why we can’t take the hint that the Joementum won’t even bring lube is beyond me. ETA- \*An Independent. I can see them _just_ severely reprimanding a Repub member and making life hell for a while. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028/79 "2009-11-08T18:04:36Z")
Well the House finally passed the Health Reform Bill, but Joe’s still being an ass: > **[Lieberman Pledges To Filibuster House Bill "As A Matter Of Conscience"](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lieberman-pledges-to-fili_n_349981)** > > Lieberman Pledges To Filibuster House Bill "As A Matter Of Conscience" ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028/80 "2009-11-09T19:40:03Z")
JOEBUCK20 was right. The watered down horrible bill will force people to buy insurance. That is the wrong way to fix the system. The insurance companies have too much power. Even this diluted system was a difficult bill to pass. We are doomed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fornicate-the-democrats-for-voting-down-the-public-option/512028.md?page=5)