# "fortyv" Banned **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [October 3, 2020, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158 "2020-10-03T23:46:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2020, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158/1 "2020-10-03T23:46:50Z")
Aw- I sent “ **forfyv** ” over here and he got banned within hours. He started a thread in “Politics and Elections” called " [New form of government?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-form-of-government/922139/62). I was sad to see he didn’t survive long. He’s an older guy who seems kinda lonely and always wants to talk about his pet topic on another website we visit but is not often engaged by others, and I though he could find some folks to talk with here. I’m quite sure he didn’t read the rules- he signed up almost as soon as I referred him. Any chance of giving him a second opportunity? ca3799 ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158/2 "2020-10-04T00:08:21Z")
Given that he admitted to being a troll, I doubt the mods would welcome him back. > [@Trolls R Us redux \[Now the argument clinic\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux/913349/1179): > > Excellent. I agree, fuck off to that tedious and boring thread. It’s much more fun to troll here and trade mindless insults with morons. Disclaimer: I am not a mod, nor do I play one on TV. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158/3 "2020-10-04T00:12:13Z")
If you are indeed his friend, advise him to quit thinking of how he will spring his amazing truth upon us lesser intellects and just get to his fucking point next time. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158/4 "2020-10-04T00:19:03Z")
Nope. Admitting to trolling is pretty much a one-way ticket out of here. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158/5 "2020-10-04T00:25:49Z")
That thread started out as a train-wreck. He was not very conversant on the meanings of the different types of government in the first place. And, of course, his attacks on those who did not admire his perspicacity did not do him any favor here. The nail in the coffin, though, was the admission to trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158/6 "2020-10-04T00:27:50Z")
Colibri- I didn’t see where he threatened to troll. Was his threat to troll post deleted or did I miss the post? Red-Wiggler- I’m not a friend so much as an acquaintance and I agree his thread was frustrating but it’s certainly not the most frustrating thread to ever appear here. I was hoping the folks here could help him elevate his game and shape his thoughts and his argument (whatever it was) and just generally get to flesh out his pet topic. It looked like that was happening even though he didn’t ‘get it’ just yet. He’s an older guy, bright but not too tech savvy, and would benefit from the manners, format, discussion and education he could get here. I did advise him to read the rules. It doesn’t appear that he did. Well, I’ll let him know I tried. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158/7 "2020-10-04T00:30:20Z")
> [@Ca3799](#): > > Colibri- I didn’t see where he threatened to troll. Was his threat to troll post deleted or did I miss the post? He did it in the “Trolls R Us redux” thread in the Pit: > [@Trolls R Us redux \[Now the argument clinic\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux/913349/1179): > > Excellent. I agree, fuck off to that tedious and boring thread. It’s much more fun to troll here and trade mindless insults with morons. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158/8 "2020-10-04T00:34:38Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Nope. Admitting to trolling is pretty much a one-way ticket out of here. I don’t know… It’s possible that he was just borrowing language from [this post](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux/913349/1168) without really realizing the implications. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158/9 "2020-10-04T00:41:53Z")
> [@Folly](#): > > I don’t know… It’s possible that he was just borrowing language from [this post](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux/913349/1168) without really realizing the implications. Well, even before that he was losing his temper and shouting and making grandiose pronouncements about his ideas. Posters who join and almost immediately start telling people they have superior ideas never last very long here. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158/10 "2020-10-04T00:49:42Z")
Can’t really argue with that. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158/11 "2020-10-04T00:54:00Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Posters who join and almost immediately start telling people they have superior ideas never last very long here. This is probably why we can never make any new friends. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158/12 "2020-10-04T01:20:25Z")
Ha ha! ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158/13 "2020-10-04T01:33:12Z")
I think making the topic in **Politics & Elections** was a mistake, that category is more about the horse race and less about grand philosophy. **fortyv** seemed to want a philosophical debate at the outset. Hence the open ended prompt and the tedious definition of terms - standard practice for philosophical debates I have attended in real life. And for conversing with bored philosophers in general. But it was Politics & Elections, so at every turn, the Teeming Millions expected him to make a specific and detailed proposal. That way, they could evaluate the political feasibility. That must have been a little frustrating if he wasn’t familiar with this place. It doesn’t go so far as to excuse the tone adopted in post #25, etc. Assuming he started in good faith, he quickly lost his head, and if he had not yet resorted to trolling, he was very close to it. That seems to be what got him banned. On the other hand, even in Great Debates this kind of open-ended debate would not fit with the new rules. He would have had to spin off a new topic for every tangent, and there are a lot of tangents involved if you’re trying to design a practical utopia. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158/14 "2020-10-04T01:59:40Z")
I don’t disgaree. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158/15 "2020-10-04T02:46:53Z")
Not that I want him back in any way, but I honestly thought it was legit to troll in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158/16 "2020-10-04T02:51:10Z")
Even [the Pit rules](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revised-forum-rules-for-the-bbq-pit-read-this-before-posting/487209) stipulate “no trolling”: > [@](#): > > **No trolling** > > By trolling, we mean posting of inflammatory comments solely to get a rise out of people. If we feel your primary goal as a poster is to make people mad, you’ll quickly find yourself on the road to banning. On the flip side, the fact that a poster consistently makes you mad doesn’t automatically make them a troll. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158/17 "2020-10-04T03:07:37Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Not that I want him back in any way, but I honestly thought it was legit to troll in the Pit. A degree of posting that pisses people off is allowed in the Pit. Saying flat out “I’m trolling for the fun of it” is a bit too blatant. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158/18 "2020-10-04T13:27:41Z")
So I guess we’ll have no more ancient Yuletide carols ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158/19 "2020-10-04T16:29:03Z")
OK. I don’t post in the Pit but I read there when an ATMB thread talks about it and I thought trolling was allowed. I must be remembering that calling someone a troll in the Pit is what’s allowed. Anyway, ignorance fought. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158/20 "2020-10-05T17:25:34Z")
Well, **fortyv** has decided that ‘you SDMB’ folks don’t meet his standards for discussing his pet topic so I guess that’s that! LOL! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fortyv-banned/922158.md?page=2)