# Four more years! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 3, 2004, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-more-years/272782 "2004-11-03T16:36:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-more-years/272782/41 "2004-11-03T23:51:52Z")
> [@Searching For Truth](#): > > I’m curious to see what the international community will think of us now. I always throught that there were a lot of fundamentalist, jingoistic, xenophobic, homophobic, militaristic Americans. The election results confirm that there are so many of them that they now hold power over their nation. Pity. Even more’s the pity that they will continue to run roughshod over other nations. ---
**Author:** ![malkavia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malkavia/32/5621_2.png) [@malkavia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/malkavia)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-more-years/272782/42 "2004-11-04T00:12:26Z")
> [@Bear\_Nenno](#): > > If you do nothing, in 60 years or so you will be dead anyway. And your children and theirs will be still be living under a tyranical terrorist regime with warped riligious beliefs as their motivation. Oh god no, not a regime with warped religious beliefs as their motivation! Oh, wait… ---
**Author:** ![TitoBenito](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2acd7d/32.png) [@TitoBenito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TitoBenito)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-more-years/272782/43 "2004-11-04T00:58:36Z")
On the bright side… 4 more years of funny Presidential sound bites. Kerry wouldn’t have said nearly as many stupid things as Bush does. All we’d have for humor would be the first lady being weird. Lets face it, Bush is a punchline waiting to happen. The Daily Show will likely last at least another 4 years. 4 more years of Rumsfeld looking like his head is going to explode in rage. If he got kicked out with Bush, we might have missed when he actually does explodes. I know I want to see that. 4 more years in office will not be good for Cheney’s health either. 4 more years to watch Bush’s policies be revealed as the massive failures that they are. We can really see the shit hit the fan and we get the luxury of passing the blame on the guy who actually threw that shit up there. Bush and his cronies will be discredited, and history will remember him as the asshole he really was. ---
**Author:** ![E72521](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dbc845/32.png) [@E72521](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E72521)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-more-years/272782/44 "2004-11-04T01:01:49Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > Remember, tho’, in the grand scheme of things you are an isolated incident. Record job losses does not make an isolated incident, dumbass. > [@UncleBeer](#): > > I guess you think that as long as jobs aren’t exported, thus giving denizens of the third world opportunities to catch up with you a bit, everything’s hunky-dory. Frankly, as a member of the party that promotes its compassion and aid to the disadvantaged, you should be applauding globalization and the wider-spread opportunities for achievement and advantage it brings. Protectionism has never been a mainstay of the liberals; they have always shouted loudly in favor of helping the unfortunate - wherever happenstance caused them to be born. It seems that when your principle crashes upon the hollow geode of your checkbook, principle shatters. Damned shame, that. They’re not catching up to anything when they make 50 cents an hour. When you support the party that promotes its aid and compassion to the privileged, you look stupid making a statement like that. Protectionism has always in some degree been a mainstay of the rube with the you-know-what plastered on his pick’emup truck. Why he supports your party’s agenda to export his mill job in South Carolina to Bumfuck is known only to God. If their checking balances are light, its your party’s policies that shatter principles. Just as long as Mandate George saves us from the gays, who the fuck needs a job anyway? ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-more-years/272782/45 "2004-11-04T01:06:37Z")
> [@TitoBenito](#): > > On the bright side… > > … > > 4 more years to watch Bush’s policies be revealed as the massive failures that they are. We can really see the shit hit the fan and we get the luxury of passing the blame on the guy who actually threw that shit up there. Bush and his cronies will be discredited, and history will remember him as the asshole he really was. Unless the Bushies are the ones who end up writing the history books. ---
**Author:** ![TitoBenito](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2acd7d/32.png) [@TitoBenito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TitoBenito)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-more-years/272782/46 "2004-11-04T01:10:41Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > Unless the Bushies are the ones who end up writing the history books. Thats silly. Bush can’t write books. He can hardly read them. ---
**Author:** ![midget](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90db22/32.png) [@midget](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/midget)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-more-years/272782/47 "2004-11-04T01:12:34Z")
Four more years of whiny, pompous anti-bush threads… Christ, get over it already. ---
**Author:** ![Berkut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e57/32.png) [@Berkut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Berkut)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-more-years/272782/48 "2004-11-04T01:20:36Z")
> [@TitoBenito](#): > > On the bright side… > > 4 more years in office will not be good for Cheney’s health either. That’s on the bright side? ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-more-years/272782/49 "2004-11-04T01:30:09Z")
> [@](#): > > They’re not catching up to anything when they make 50 cents an hour. Mebbe; mebbe not. But in many third world nations these jobs are, at this time in history, considered a pretty peachy deal to the holders of them. Beats the hell outta subsistence farming. An economy takes years to build. Didn’t happen here in the USA (or Europe, or the Pacific Rim, or anywhere else geographically, or historically) overnight, either. Once the industrial revolution got a good hold, it was just a mere 50 years, or so. Gotta start somewhere, my friend. Prosperity doesn’t pop up like mushrooms overnight. Unless you’re a mushroom farmer. > [@](#): > > Record job losses does not make an isolated incident, dumbass. You, like Kythereia, seem to have a too narrow memory. Great Depression of the 1930’s ring any bells? > [@](#): > > Protectionism has always in some degree been a mainstay of the rube with the you-know-what plastered on his pick’emup truck. Why he supports your party’s agenda to export his mill job in South Carolina to Bumfuck is known only to God. What? Union workers? The unions are filled with Democrats. They, too, support a party which claims to favor the disadvantaged - except when they’re own overpaid jobs are on the line - then they scream for he’p from the government to protect their jobs and to hell with the disadvantaged folks from poorer nations. Bush supported several protectionist pieces of legislation. The steel and timber tarriffs from the first years of his presidency? How 'bout the Farm bill? ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-more-years/272782/50 "2004-11-04T01:49:28Z")
> [@Johnny L.A.](#): > > Probably covered elsewhere, but I have to rant. > > FOUR MORE YEARS! > [ul][li]Of slow economic growth[/li][li]Of American jobs being sent to foreign countries[/li][li]Of a widening gap between the rich and the middle class[/li][li]Of concern for corporate fatcats instead of the People[/li][li]Of millions of people losing their health insurance[/li][li]Of more Americans moving into poverty[/li][li]Of persecution of homosexuals[/li][li]Of civil liberties slipping away[/li][li]Of Fundementalist control of the nation’s government[/li][li]Of being hated by virtually every other nation on the planet[/li][li]Of government by fear[/li][li]Of wars and rumours of war[/li][li]Of terrorist recruitments[/li][li]Of being the laughingstock of the world[/li][li]Of thwarting of valuable medical research[/li][li]Of attacks on women’s right to choose to terminate pregnancies[/ul][/li]And four more years of hopelessness. We had a chance to make America a better place. My native California tried. My adopted Washington tried. Oregon, New York, _et al_ tried. But it wasn’t enough. Four more years of more of the same. ☹ I’m drinking a truly disgusting Creamsicle martini. I am truly disgusted. What a disgusting day. ---
**Author:** ![E72521](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dbc845/32.png) [@E72521](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E72521)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-more-years/272782/51 "2004-11-04T02:29:25Z")
> [@Uncle Beer](#): > > An economy takes years to build. Didn’t happen here in the USA (or Europe, or the Pacific Rim, or anywhere else geographically, or historically) overnight, either. Democracies and, dare I say, nations. They take a long time to build too. We’re not supposed to be in that business. Oh, that’s right, 9/11… > [@](#): > > Great Depression of the 1930’s ring any bells? Was the depression a product of generous tax incentives to ship jobs to India? > [@](#): > > What? Union workers? The unions are filled with Democrats. …and Republicans. They take union jobs too. I’ll bet its close to 50/50. > [@](#): > > Bush supported several protectionist pieces of legislation. The steel and timber tarriffs from the first years of his presidency? How 'bout the Farm bill? As long as it guts the environment, its OK. I feel so protected. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-more-years/272782/52 "2004-11-04T04:11:34Z")
> [@E72521](#): > > …and Republicans. They take union jobs too. I’ll bet its close to 50/50. I’ll take that bet. got a cite on that one? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-more-years/272782/53 "2004-11-04T04:18:17Z")
> [@TitoBenito](#): > > Thats silly. Bush can’t write books. He can hardly read them. But he took a pretty good stab at learning to read “The Pet Goat.” Even put off another major pressing engagement to plug away at reading it. ---
**Author:** ![E72521](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dbc845/32.png) [@E72521](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E72521)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-more-years/272782/54 "2004-11-04T06:24:27Z")
> [@Rick](#): > > I’ll take that bet. > got a cite on that one? No, I don’t. This isn’t GD. Its purely anecdotal. Why would anyone smarter than Forrest Gump think that a Republican would not take a union job? Attention Kmart shoppers: The vast majority of airline pilots, mechanics, doctors, nurses, auto workers, plumbers, welders, drivers, government employees, and pretty much any vocation you can think of are Democrats. So says **Rick**. Brilliant. :rolleyes so far back they pop out: ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-more-years/272782/55 "2004-11-04T20:55:42Z")
> [@E72521](#): > > No, I don’t. This isn’t GD. Its purely anecdotal. Why would anyone smarter than Forrest Gump think that a Republican would not take a union job? Perhaps for the simple reason that Labor and the Democrats have been long allies. I guess that the [Washington Post](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55603-2004Oct22.html?sub=AR) is dumber than Forrest Gump, according to you. > [@](#): > > Since rallying behind John F. Kerry after the Massachusetts senator took the lead in the Democratic primaries last winter, \*\*labor unions have committed huge amounts of money and legions of foot soldiers to help him defeat Bush. \*\*Much of the focus has been in midwestern battleground states, where industrial unions boast large memberships. > > The AFL-CIO is aiming this year to exceed the 27 million union household voters who cast ballots in 2000, when\*\* Democrat Al Gore got more than 60 percent of the labor vote.\*\* Or perhaps you would prefer to read about a [state election?](http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/08/06/MN183498.DTL) > [@](#): > > Sacramento – Powerful labor unions threatened retribution Tuesday against any Democrat who challenges Gov. Gray Davis on the recall ballot and prepared to spend millions of dollars for the embattled governor. > > Davis, back from his meeting in Chicago with AFL-CIO leaders, is effectively building a unionized wall around his campaign to defeat the Oct. 7 recall. Or this story from [Robert Novak](http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20040722.shtml) about Boston. > [@](#): > > BOSTON – Thomas M. Menino usually is a happy warrior who has loved being mayor of Boston for the past 11 years, but he is plainly irritated these days. He is furious with the local police union. He is contemptuous of Democratic leaders around the country who worship at the altar of organized labor. …to most Democrats, the link between the party and organized labor is sacred and indissoluble. So Mr. Novak is also dumber than Forrest? > [@](#): > > Attention Kmart shoppers: The vast majority of airline pilots, mechanics, doctors, nurses, auto workers, plumbers, welders, drivers, government employees, and pretty much any vocation you can think of are Democrats. So says **Rick**. You can’t expect to, on a message board dedicated to fighting ignorance, to get away with talking out of your ass like this. You should know that you will be called on stating falsehoods as fact. > [@](#): > > Brilliant. :rolleyes so far back they pop out: [Maybe](http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/07/08/loc_kylabor080.html)[you](http://taylordark.com/laborbook.htm)[should](http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/909/)[put](http://www.labornet.org/news/0503/socdem.htm)[your](http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=10190)[eyes](http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/library/subjectGuides/usLaborUnions/financialInfo.html)[back](http://www.nationalcenter.org/PMM4.html)[in](http://www.opensecrets.org/1994os/osdata/osp84.pdf)[and](http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/columnists.nsf/jomannies/story/F2E7D97480B687CE86256F15006C4C31?OpenDocument&Headline=Labor+unions+here+remain+a+force+come+election+time)[read](http://www.fact-index.com/u/un/united_states_democratic_party_1.html)[both](http://www.ble.org/pr/news/headline.asp?id=11857)[current](http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A55603-2004Oct22?language=printer)[events](http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/may04/227466.asp)[and](http://www.dgci.net/archives/000245.html)[history](http://www.laborers.org/AP_Democrats-Union_7-19-01.htm) Contrary to popular belief, not all Republicans are idiots, and not all Democrats are Steven Hawking clones. Some people managed to stay awake during US history and government class. So do I win a bottle of wine like **Bricker**? 😃 :wally [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-more-years/272782.md?page=2)