# Four Seattle police officers ambushed and shot dead **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 29, 2009, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369 "2009-11-29T19:53:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369/201 "2009-12-01T05:29:56Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Yes it was. Conservatives started calling police “pigs” during the dark times of the 1950’s when everything was shite. This was before things improved markedly in the late '60s when people with a social conscience began to take back control. > > And I’m going to start a thread that proves all of this at some point.. in the future… soon. But right now I have to go away… somewhere… Pretty good, but to really get it down you have to come in and post a few more times after claiming you had to leave, and then end it with “Now, if you’ll excuse me, I really do have to go to bed now”. And then come back and post a couple more times after that for good measure. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369/202 "2009-12-01T05:40:49Z")
Not enough cowbell. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369/203 "2009-12-01T06:02:06Z")
Stop Walkenizing the thread! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369/204 "2009-12-01T06:08:01Z")
[![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMZwZiU0kKs) OK. Now, I’m done. And it _needed_ Walkenizing! I seen my duty, and I done it. ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Brother\_Walker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f08c70/32.png) [@Uncle\_Brother\_Walker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Brother_Walker)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369/205 "2009-12-01T06:10:35Z")
Haven’t read the whole thread, but I used to live in Lakewood, just outside the gate of North Fort at Ft. Lewis, WA (I think that was called Lakewood). I hope they get the(se) bastards. I further the vote for the death penalty. Or even better yet, death at the time of arrest. You know what I mean. ---
**Author:** ![kitemaker\_chuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a88e4f/32.png) [@kitemaker\_chuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kitemaker_chuck)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369/206 "2009-12-01T06:13:04Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Washington has the death penalty. I can’t imagine killing four police officers in an ambush wouldn’t qualify. If the accused can make it across the Canadian border, will he escape the death penalty when the USA wants to extradite him? ---
**Author:** ![kitemaker\_chuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a88e4f/32.png) [@kitemaker\_chuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kitemaker_chuck)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369/207 "2009-12-01T06:14:47Z")
> [@Uncle\_Brother\_Walker](#): > > Haven’t read the whole thread, but I used to live in Lakewood, just outside the gate of North Fort at Ft. Lewis, WA (I think that was called Lakewood). > I hope they get the(se) bastards. I further the vote for the death penalty. Or even better yet, death at the time of arrest. You know what I mean. Could you be thinking of Tillicum? From what I understand, Tillicum has been incorporated into Lakewood. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369/208 "2009-12-01T06:29:23Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I swear I’ve fallen down the rabbit hole. Where else on this planet would it be considered worse to cast aspersions upon liberals than it is to kill four people who were someone’s parents, spouses and children. I’m losing the thread here. Who said that casting aspersions on liberals is worse than murder? That aside, I have to agree that Una is far worse than historical personages such as Nyarlathotep. Hat’s off to you Una. I struggle at my keyboard to merely equal Ghengis Khan. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369/209 "2009-12-01T06:39:38Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > I’m losing the thread here. Who said that casting aspersions on liberals is worse than murder? That would be **The Second Stone**. To wit: > [@The Second Stone](#): > > The only thing worse than an evil murderer like this is a fuck wad that uses these murders to crap all over his fellow citizens for disagreeing with him on politics. I’m looking at you Argent Towers [i.e., liberal aspersioner], you despicable piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369/210 "2009-12-01T06:57:47Z")
SA: Ok, I got it now. 'Tanks. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369/211 "2009-12-01T07:10:44Z")
> [@kitemaker\_chuck](#): > > If the accused can make it across the Canadian border, will he escape the death penalty when the USA wants to extradite him? I think someone had already posted that the shooter was shot and presumed dead, back on page two or three of the thread. However had the accused made it across to Canada, the system generally says we dont extradite folks who are facing the death penalty, um, in reality Canadian cops are no different from their American cousins. I expect that he would be terminated with extreme predudice at first oppurtunity. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369/212 "2009-12-01T07:13:49Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Eleanor Clift does not make my list today. But Argent Towers is still spreading evil and that is more evil than a lesson from history. So, it’s evil. Shitheel, Argent Towers and his defenders, including Una Persson. Shitheel light. A pox on you for defending this crap and lowering the dialogue to your filthy level. Are there two **Argent Towers** ’ on this board or something? Because I’m seeing a lot of people attacking a poster with some moderately outspoken (but not necessarily unrealistic) views as if he was a member of the SS _Welpen-Tötung Korps_, and frankly I just don’t see anything **Argent** has said as being worthy of the vitriol currently being directed at him. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369/213 "2009-12-01T07:22:26Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > Are there two **Argent Towers** ’ on this board or something? Because I’m seeing a lot of people attacking a poster with some moderately outspoken (but not necessarily unrealistic) views as if he was a member of the SS _Welpen-Tötung Korps_, and frankly I just don’t see anything **Argent** has said as being worthy of the vitriol currently being directed at him. It might be as simple as being too soon after 4 cops were shot dead, folks’s bullshit meters tend to get overloaded. Declan ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369/214 "2009-12-01T07:32:06Z")
No, just a little out of date, doesn’t realize that the Baader-Meinhoff Gang and the Red Army Faction aren’t as wildly popular with American lefties as once they might have been. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369/215 "2009-12-01T07:33:55Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > It might be as simple as being too soon after 4 cops were shot dead, folks’s bullshit meters tend to get overloaded. That’s probably it. The shooting of these police officers is a horrible tragedy and I don’t think anyone in this thread (even **Argent** ) feels or thinks otherwise. But that doesn’t change the fact that there will be people out there (oppressed, downtrodden folk) who mistakenly feel that the shooter is somehow “Stickin’ it to the man”. Now, the rest of us understand that there are four parents without a child, children without a parent, siblings missing a brother or sister, and spouses without a partner as a result of this outrage. But I don’t think it’s insensitive or even incorrect for **Argent** to mention (in what is basically an RO thread, let’s be honest here) that not everyone necessarily is saddened by that. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369/216 "2009-12-01T07:40:20Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > Now, the rest of us understand that there are four parents without a child, children without a parent, siblings missing a brother or sister, and spouses without a partner as a result of this outrage. But I don’t think it’s insensitive or even incorrect for **Argent** to mention (in what is basically an RO thread, let’s be honest here) that not everyone necessarily is saddened by that. Id say that the timing makes it insensitive, had it been a week from now , folks may have been able to simply ignore his posts instead of firing back at him. I remember back when that airliner ditched in the hudson river in New York (thankgod everyone made it out ok.) I was humorously mentioning the fact that the Navy guys were probably making digs at the airforce for missing a carrier landing( navy carrier parked upriver as a museum) So of course I get called on that by the airboys, and rightfully so. Had that airplane been a tradgedy, there was no way I would have brought that up. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369/217 "2009-12-01T11:23:16Z")
[Here we go:](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091201/ap_on_re_us/us_officers_shot) > [@](#): > > Clemmons was charged in Washington state earlier this year with assaulting a police officer and raping a child, and investigators in the sex case said he was motivated by visions that he was Jesus Christ and that the world was on the verge of the apocalypse. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369/218 "2009-12-01T11:40:26Z")
From [here](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8387681.stm). > [@](#): > > A sheriff’s spokesman said police had spoken to several people who had provided help to Maurice Clemmons since the attack near Seattle on Sunday. Really! So they haven’t been arrested or this is just poor reporting? ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369/219 "2009-12-01T12:03:18Z")
My mind boggles at some of you people actually hoping for the police to act like vigilantes. 'Cause that’s exactly what we need, our police force acting as judge jury and executioners, because hell we all know how infallible and knowledgeable about the law and constitution police officers are and have been through out history! Fuck all of you calling for that shit. I know evolution left you behind some time ago but grow a fucking brain already! As for the suspect, I hope that he is caught without anymore people being hurt including other police officers and if possible the suspect, who is probably mentally ill. Breaking news is that police have fatally shot him. I hope it was because the suspect forced them to, and not because of what some of you have been hoping for. But I guess that won’t stop some of you from jerking off at the thought. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369/220 "2009-12-01T13:26:19Z")
It is over. the shooter is dead. [http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/01/washington.suspect.shot/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/01/washington.suspect.shot/index.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/four-seattle-police-officers-ambushed-and-shot-dead/519369.md?page=12)