# Fox: 102 year old woman had to wait in line 3 hours to vote, "What's the big deal?" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 15, 2013, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380 "2013-02-15T14:15:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380/261 "2013-02-17T00:19:54Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Um… ok. Let’s explore that. > > In light of the existence of the First Amendment, could you explain just how you intend to implement your proposal? > > I contend your proposal has some severe social costs associated with vitiating the First Amendment. It would be too expensive to monitor all cases that violate the First Amendment. Do you propose to raise taxes by 50%? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380/262 "2013-02-17T00:21:21Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No such luck: unlike liberals, when I say something about costs, I actually have specifics in mind. > > Adding a fingerprint space to voter rolls will increase the vertical space taken up by a voter’s name and address threefold. I know this, because this idea came to me while I was serving as an election volunteer, and I measured. Therefore, it means that we will triple printing costs for voter rolls. Kinko’s will produce a bound volume of voter roll size for $125. That means that, even assuming no volume discounts, we’re talking less than $250 per voter roll now printed. > > Ink pads included in round number. > > Your turn. Training of volunteers to do this job properly will cost in excess of 35 Billion dollars. Your turn. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380/263 "2013-02-17T00:25:50Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > And what if there are important last-minute revelations about a candidate? Like, the night before election we discover that the guy we already voted for is a secret Russian Communist spy. I will be kind of mad at myself for being such an eager beaver if this ever happens. Then don’t vote ahead of time. ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380/264 "2013-02-17T00:28:09Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Oh, joking? > > Funny how so many liberal ideas dissolve under scrutiny and then turn out to be jokes all along. > > See, that was a joke too. > > Or was it? Did you seriously think that I don’t believe in the first amendment? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380/265 "2013-02-17T00:29:39Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > It would be too expensive to monitor all cases that violate the First Amendment. Do you propose to raise taxes by 50%? What the hell does this even mean? My point is that the very proposal violates the First Amendment. Where did “monitor all the cases” come from? Who would monitor what? If the law was passed – and apparently the whole proposal was a “joke” anyway – but if it were, then the first attempt to apply it would result in Fox News asserting a First Amendment defense. Defending against that claim is a cost borne by the government – a cost arising because the proposal was implemented. I’m not calling for the proposal to be implemented; I am speaking against it. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380/266 "2013-02-17T00:36:15Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Training of volunteers to do this job properly will cost in excess of 35 Billion dollars. > > Your turn. Really? I don’t remotely agree. Similar training costs for law enforcement personnel doesn’t support that conclusion. From here: [quote] The length of training can run anywhere from a course of a few hours that provides you with the fundamentals, to more extensive courses that may take place over a few days or a week. Many one-day sessions in dactyloscopy are provided in the format of seminars or workshops. For many of these courses, no previous experience or training in the field is required. There’s my cite. Where’s yours, for the 35 billion? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380/267 "2013-02-17T00:37:22Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > Did you seriously think that I don’t believe in the first amendment? I seriously think you’d like to see Fox News shut down, and wouldn’t care about the First Amendment when you did so. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380/268 "2013-02-17T00:42:31Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I seriously think you’d like to see Fox News shut down, and wouldn’t care about the First Amendment when you did so. I seriously think you’re perfectly willing to be dishonest if you get to win. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380/269 "2013-02-17T00:48:54Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I seriously think you’re perfectly willing to be dishonest if you get to win. And you didn’t ask, but I seriously think you have some social retardation thing going on. Mild Aspergers, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380/270 "2013-02-17T00:53:19Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I seriously think you’d like to see Fox News shut down, and wouldn’t care about the First Amendment when you did so. Based on what, exactly? Because you know me so well? I would love to see Fox News shut down because they can’t pay their bills because America advances enough in common sense to stop watching their garbage. I would not want the government to shut it down because I care very much about the first Amendment. I don’t think I am unusual in feeling this way. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380/271 "2013-02-17T00:58:33Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Well, I’d be against spending more money on “voting infrastructure” if my state allowed vote-by-mail for everyone. It’s like buying more fax machines to accommodate the shrinking number of non-email users. You’ll note that I completely failed to specify the nature of the infrastructure. If you want to go for mail-in, knock yourself out. We get by with paper ballots, pencils, cardboard “booths” set on top of tables, and hand counting. I’ve never waited in line more than 5 minutes or so. Whatever actually works. Whatever they’re doing in Florida clearly doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380/272 "2013-02-17T01:09:09Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I seriously think you’re perfectly willing to be dishonest if you get to win. NOW you’re getting it. It’s about winning. Winning arguments. Winning debates. Winning elections. As long as it can be done within the rules (or if you can skirt the rules just…a little) It helps if you realize that it’s about winning with **Bricker**. It’s not about what is the right thing to do, or what is just, or what is moral. These things are meaningless. It’s about who wins. This is a very common mindset, especially amongst politicians and law-talking people. ETA: And if you call them on it, they resort to mild insults. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380/273 "2013-02-17T01:22:25Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Then don’t vote ahead of time. Then don’t tell us that voting by mail is an acceptable alternative to increasing election day poll capacity. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380/274 "2013-02-17T01:31:36Z")
> [@Euphonious Polemic](#): > > ETA: And if you call them on it, they resort to mild insults. Nice. Yes, it certainly is a mystery what might have led me to issue a mild insult. No provocation, that’s for sure. > [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > And my point from my previous post is proved. You’re a reprehensible partisan bitch. > [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Yeah, you’re fucking too smart for me, you little partisan bitch. > [@Lobohan](#): > > I’m pretty sure Bricker would be a shitty member of any country. Except maybe Libertopia. > [@rogerbox](#): > > There is a reason Bricker-bot is stuck in a loop of “(criticism of republican ugliness) is not bad, but if it was, democrats do it too!”, which would be because he is a team playing hack, as evidenced by this thread and pretty much every other one where politics are mentioned. > [@BobLibDem](#): > > What do you argue with that asshole for? This is the same douche that argues for voter ID laws that cure a problem that does not exist, costs money to implement, and disenfranchises Democratic voters. Maybe we’ll never know. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380/275 "2013-02-17T01:35:57Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Then don’t tell us that voting by mail is an acceptable alternative to increasing election day poll capacity. Are you daft? Your ballot only needs to be postmarked on Election Day. If you’re worried about finding your candidate with a live boy, then fill out your ballot on election day, and mail it in. This is such a stupid issue, I can’t believe anyone is trotting it out. There is always a problem that, after you vote, you’ll find something out about the candidate. It’s true if you vote 1 week before election day or if you vote on election day. > [@Gorsnak](#): > > I’ve never waited in line more than 5 minutes or so. Whatever actually works. Whatever they’re doing in Florida clearly doesn’t. Yeah, but you guys are Canadian, and you’re nice. 🙂 I agree about FL, though. Anyone worried about waiting in line, and who doesn’t vote by mail, is doing something wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380/276 "2013-02-17T01:36:18Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > “Face of Eve?” Are you for real with this? > > I will make this as clear as I possibly can for you: Before implementing a solution, we should analyze the costs involved, as that will undoubtedly be part of choosing an effective solution. But even if all solutions turn out to be equally expensive, or some people would rather not pay the costs involved, “not fixing it” is not acceptable. > > It must be fixed; in the process of fixing it, analyzing the cost of various solutions is appropriate. Not fixing it is not appropriate or acceptable. What, specifically, do you mean by “fixing it?” Are you literally, literally now, saying that it’s not fixed if even one person must wait longer than 3 hours? This is your chance to answer specifically and literally. Pretend I’m Data, from Star Trek, and I won’t get sophisticated Earth humor or allusion. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380/277 "2013-02-17T01:37:14Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Pretend I’m Data, from Star Trek, and I won’t get sophisticated Earth humor or allusion. Data can’t use contractions. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380/278 "2013-02-17T01:37:56Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Data can’t use contractions. Pretend I am Data, then. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380/279 "2013-02-17T01:39:14Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Then don’t vote ahead of time. No. I want confirmation that vote has been received. If I wait till Election Day to send in my ballot, I won’t get confirmation until it’s too late. This is unacceptable to me as someone who has reason to distrust the election process. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380/280 "2013-02-17T01:45:30Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > No. I want confirmation that vote has been received. If I wait till Election Day to send in my ballot, I won’t get confirmation until it’s too late. This is unacceptable to me as someone who has reason to distrust the election process. What kind of confirmation do you receive when you vote by mail? I’ve been doing it for decades, and I’ve never gotten any kind of “confirmation”. Do you have evidence that voting by mail is significantly less secure than voting in person? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-102-year-old-woman-had-to-wait-in-line-3-hours-to-vote-whats-the-big-deal/650380.md?page=15)