That also seems to be an ad hominem attack that doesn’t address any of the points I made.
This is hilarious coming from you. You and Bricker should get along just fine.
It’s funny watching the leftie tards get all tarded up and foaming at the mouth for funnsies. Damn those righties making voting lines really long just to fuck with minorities and democrats. Good thing they have seperate lines for “white republicans” and “everyone else” or else some poor white republican might not have been able to vote. And that would have been a tragedy.
You’re not responding to my question. The.website says nothing like that.
And the point is, the state website won’t say that as long as the point is to cut down on voting, especially among certain groups of voters. It does no good to make it more difficult to vote if you also tell people how they can work around your obstacles.
Yes.
But from that, it doesn’t follow that I agree any rollback of previously available voting hours is to be condemned.
A rollback that arises from funding issues, for example, should not be somehow prohibited. Voting hours or voting days are not a “one-way rachet,” able only to be increased.
In fairness to the argument as I understand it, the position is that reducing voter turnout hurts Democrats more than it does Republicans. I don’t know that I agree, but it’s part of the set of assumptions being argued on that side, so the point you raise does not expose a contradiction in their claims.
In order to obtain an absentee ballot, you go to the county, so it doesn’t really matter what the state website says.
If the first thing I read on the state website says that absentee ballots are for people who cannot get to a polling place, and I can get to a polling place, why would I bother checking with my county? Why would I check anywhere else at all?
Because you’d scroll further down the page to see if there were any eligibility requirements listed, and quickly conclude that there weren’t any? Beyond that, I somehow doubt that a 102-year-old lady checked the state’s website in the first place.
And what influential position does BG have in the Democratic Party or in the liberal commentariat, such as it is?
This is what Kevin Drum calls ‘nutpicking.’ You can always find someone in blog comments or on a message board who you can point to and say, “the other side is like this.” The fact that you’re talking about someone on this message board doesn’t change the truth of that.
(For all I know, BG may well have been justified in the context of that thread. I’ll let him defend himself; I’m not gonna go there. But even if BG went totally Godwin on Bricker there, it makes no difference in this thread.)
Why? And how is that acceptable?
Age, race, and anything else you care to name.
She was born in Haiti, so she doesn’t take democracy for granted, just the opposite. I know many people who were born in non-democratic countries to whom voting absentee just doesn’t feel as “real” as voting in person on election day. Heck,* I *couldn’t wait to be 18 and be able to exercise that right which women had gotten when my age was already in double figures - and not by mail!
You two are missing the point. This is not about Desiline Victor. Her experience was not the problem, just an emblem. Moving her to the front of the line would have made her evening easier, but would not have addressed the actual problem one bit. Even if every very-elderly or disabled voter everywhere was immediately moved to the front of the line, the problem remains the same.
You don’t really know that do you? Neither do I. Nor do I know if mail service in her area is unreliable or if someone’s been stealing mail out of boxes in that area.
You don’t have to stop assuming her life is like yours, but you will be more sympathetic and understandable if you do.
It honestly doesn’t matter whether or not absentee ballots are available. If a means of voting has been provided, then it is the duty of election officials to make sure that it is administered competently and effectively. That means no three-hour lines. As a citizen, you should not have to be responsible for determining which method of voting is most likely to get massively fucked up and fail to work.
It may astound you to know that geography is a good indicator of how people are likely to vote, with inner cities going heavily Democratic, for instance, and rural areas going heavily Republican. So in terms of affecting election outcomes, we do pretty much have white Republican lines and minority Democratic lines.
Now if, for instance, the only allowable polling places were at one’s city hall or county courthouse, that would mess with (largely Republican) rural voters, because they’d have to travel a lot further to vote. It’s amazing what you can do to put more hurdles in the way of on one group or another with superficially impartial rules.
Because they’re inner-city, predominantly minority people.
Can I get a “hell yes!”?
A State that allows absentee voting for the sake of convenience, and has 8 days of early voting is making things more difficult than reasonably necessary? What do you want them to do, provide limo service to and from the polls?
Yeah, I propose a system where there’s only one voting precinct available per state in the poorest, most minoritiest part of the biggest city in the state, and have it open for only one voting day. If you can’t make it there to vote, tough.
I want them to make sure that nobody has to wait more than an hour in order to vote in person at the polls. I don’t think this is unreasonable, and it is certainly not equivalent to demanding limo service, free child care, hors d’oeuvres in line, or any of the other ridiculously over-the-top things it has been compared to.
It really isn’t theoretical is it? Under the conditions that existed, the wait times were what they were. Is that acceptable or not?
No, it’s more like respect equal protection under the law. If some precincts make it so same-day voting lines have plenty of ballots and workers and machines, and others don’t, that’s a problem.
I can understand why you think people in this thread are complaining about lack of limo rides, though.