# FOX as a Source? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 4, 2013, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998 "2013-03-04T15:05:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998/81 "2013-03-20T20:46:06Z")
And you apparently miss the point on what “ **more** biased” means. Since we’re both missing points I guess we’re at an impasse. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998/82 "2013-03-20T20:54:06Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > And you apparently miss the point on what “ **more** biased” means. Since we’re both missing points I guess we’re at an impasse. What counts is that I get evidence not just platitudes. It is always worse to fabricate news, consider once again creationism, your effort on minimizing this as just a competition with biases is really reckless, it is once again requesting that a false equivalence should be imposed so then no “bias” should exist when creationism or ID appears. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998/83 "2013-03-20T21:09:36Z")
Also the point that you are continuously trying to evade is that there are several huge items that FOX is either misrepresenting what the actual experts report or its just making up news with continuous repetitions and no acknowledgement whatsoever on how wrong they are. Remember, as the earliest studies showed, FOX is doing this regarding global warming **for more than 10 years** , and also **for more than 10 years the so called investigators of bias from the right are unwilling to also acknowledge how wrong they are on how they go on looking for bias in the media regarding that issue** , that to me is a very easy test to see if one should rely on those so called “detectors of bias” from the right. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998/84 "2013-04-08T16:31:42Z")
One pretty good summation of Faux News: [http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/04/07/fox-has-absolutely-no-journalistic-ethics-and-heres-a-long-list-of-their-lies-videos/](http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/04/07/fox-has-absolutely-no-journalistic-ethics-and-heres-a-long-list-of-their-lies-videos/) Fox Has Absolutely NO Journalistic Ethics, And Here’s A LONG List Of Their Lies (VIDEOS) Faux has been caught in lie after lie. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998/85 "2013-04-08T17:10:20Z")
FOX is to the Republican party what PRAVDA was to the Communist party. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998/86 "2013-04-09T17:46:49Z")
> [@Alley\_Dweller](#): > > Ignore Fox News at your own peril. Or as they would say it: Some say, ignore Faux News at your own peril. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998/87 "2013-04-09T21:57:06Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > One pretty good summation of Faux News: > > [http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/04/07/fox-has-absolutely-no-journalistic-ethics-and-heres-a-long-list-of-their-lies-videos/](http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/04/07/fox-has-absolutely-no-journalistic-ethics-and-heres-a-long-list-of-their-lies-videos/) > > Fox Has Absolutely NO Journalistic Ethics, And Here’s A LONG List Of Their Lies (VIDEOS) > > Faux has been caught in lie after lie. And Dan Rather, an important anchor for many years at CBS, was caught in a major distortion that led to his resignation and has been [accused of others](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Rather#Criticism). That doesn’t excuse any actions by Fox but lets not pretend that Fox is the only outlet that plays with the facts. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998/88 "2013-04-09T22:53:38Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > And Dan Rather, an important anchor for many years at CBS, was caught in a major distortion that led to his resignation and has been [accused of others](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Rather#Criticism). That doesn’t excuse any actions by Fox but lets not pretend that Fox is the only outlet that plays with the facts. As noted on the many examples presented, **FOX does not punish** nor corrects any falsehoods that they peddle even after more than ten years have passed. FOX still misleads their viewers and has never corrected the reported misrepresentations of what the science actually says regarding global warming and even creationism on occasion. Suffice to say, your example actually demonstrates that at least the real news outfits have shame and \*\*stop \*\*drumming on manufactured news again, and again. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998/89 "2013-04-10T20:52:03Z")
I commentary on the news, I can predict that tonight it will be a criticism of any thing Obama says, or does. If he solved all the worlds problems , made every one rich, I think they would say he was possessed by the devil. ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998/90 "2013-04-11T14:10:19Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > I commentary on the news, I can predict that tonight it will be a criticism of any thing Obama says, or does. If he solved all the worlds problems , made every one rich, I think they would say he was possessed by the devil. According to their business model, they have to do this. That’s what Faux news is built around, catering to the far right. It’s their job to give their viewers/sponsors/etc what they want. If they don’t do this, they lose $. It’s why they have so many ‘opinion’ shows vs ‘news’ shows that seem to parrot the exact same theme. The other news shows might be left, but they dont rely on it for a business model. If Obama personally defeated Satan in hand to hand combat live on TV Faux news would still have to get up in the morning and spend their day bashing him. Probably something like ‘Obama thinks he’s god now’ or ‘Obama handling problem with violence yet again’ or ‘Obama wouldnt have needed to do that if he hadn’t outlawed guns’. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998/91 "2013-04-11T15:54:08Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > I commentary on the news, I can predict that tonight it will be a criticism of any thing Obama says, or does. If he solved all the worlds problems , made every one rich, I think they would say he was possessed by the devil. Since this is Fox we’re talking about, making everyone rich would, by definition, solve all the world’s problems. And they’d never say Obama made them rich; they’d say that everyone made themselves rich after the government got out of their way, and that Obama should have done it sooner. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998/92 "2013-04-11T17:57:28Z")
[![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCgL6JE0_xs) ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998/93 "2013-04-11T18:52:47Z")
> [@Bpelta](#): > > A professor of journalism at West Liberty University recently [banned](http://www.mediaite.com/online/professor-bans-students-from-using-fox-news-as-a-source-it-makes-me-cringe/) her students from using FOX News as a source because it’s “biased;” she wrote that it “makes her cringe” and she’d “almost rather you print off an article from the Onion.” Apparently, after public pressure, [she’s](http://www.wtrf.com/story/21200533/controversy-rising-over-wlu-syllabus) “since changed her stance and allowed students to use all academic sources.” She should be fired for incompetence. All news sources are biased. Every single one. Even the face in the mirror. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998/94 "2013-04-12T05:08:43Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Suffice to say, your example actually demonstrates that at least the real news outfits have shame and \*\*stop \*\*drumming on manufactured news again, and again. Well, according to the cite above Rather had questionable ethics for nearly 40 years before it got him fired. It also shows that people at the very top of CBS were willing to distort the news and figured they’d get away with it, probably because they had in the past. Then there’s the fiasco of Juan Williams being fired by NPR for, apparently, talking on Fox news. That’s not the reason given by NPR, of course. News sources are biased, all of them. We generally listen to those that appeal to our own biases and villify those that cross them. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998/95 "2013-04-12T05:32:53Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > Well, according to the cite above Rather had questionable ethics for nearly 40 years before it got him fired. It also shows that people at the very top of CBS were willing to distort the news and figured they’d get away with it, probably because they had in the past. The book “Bias” and Fairness in media have been discredited many times in the past. > [@Deeg](#): > > News sources are biased, all of them. We generally listen to those that appeal to our own biases and villify those that cross them. Nope, as pointed out you still have to find a comparable outfit that misleads its viewers for more than ten years and in a subject that will affect their descendants for many decades into the future. Once again, bias is present in many outfits, but manufacturing news is indeed something else. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998/96 "2013-04-12T06:08:43Z")
But it is notorious that Goldberg and his book Bias are mentioned, as I pointed out before it is really bad to cite “experts” on bias that show gross negligence and clueless when they are incapable of noticing that their own bias is breaking their bias detectors. I decided to just look around how Goldberg sees the issue of global warming, did not have to look far to find out that indeed, he is just one of the blind leading the blind: > **[The Other Global Warming Story](https://www.bernardgoldberg.com/p/the-other-global-warming-story)** > > How am I supposed to know if global warming is a worldwide crisis or not? I’m a journalist, not a scientist. All I know is what I read in the papers. And what I just read in the Wall Street Journal won’t make the global warming true believers too... > [@](#): > > How am I supposed to know if global warming is a worldwide crisis or not? I’m a journalist, not a scientist. All I know is what I read in the papers. And what I just read in the Wall Street Journal won’t make the global warming true believers too happy. > > The piece I read is an op-ed signed by 17 scientists with some pretty serious credentials, and runs under the headline, “No Need to Panic About Global Warming.” The signers include a physics professor from Princeton, a technology professor from Cambridge, and a professor of atmospheric sciences from MIT. So how wrong is the mentioned “bias expert”? Criminally wrong. > **[The Latest Denialist Plea for Climate Change Inaction](https://skepticalscience.com/examining-the-latest-climate-denialist-plea-for-inaction.html)** > > As they tend to do from time to time in an effort to distract from the climate science consensus, a group of scientists who are also climate 'skeptics' have published an opinion-editorial (op-ed), trying to make the case against taking action to... > [@](#): > > As they tend to do from time to time in an effort to distract from the climate science consensus, a group of scientists who are also climate “skeptics” have published an opinion-editorial (op-ed), trying to make the case against taking action to address climate change. As usual, the article is little more than a regurgitation of a number of climate myths we have debunked at Skeptical Science. > > The signatories of this newest letter are also worth noting for their lack of noteworthiness. Although the climate denialist blogs have labeled them “luminaries” and “prominent scientists”, the list is actually quite underwhelming. In fact, it only includes four scientists who have actually published climate research in peer-reviewed journals, and only two who have published climate research in the past three decades. Nearly half of the list (at least 7 of 16) have received fossil fuel industry funding, and the list also includes an economist, a physician, a chemist, an aerospace engineer, and an astronaut/politician. These are apparently the best and brightest the climate denialists can come up with these days? > [@](#): > > If we boil down this op-ed to its basics, we’re left with a letter signed by only two scientists with peer-reviewed climate research publications in the past three decades, which exhibits a serious lack of understanding of basic climate concepts, and which simply regurgitates a Gish Gallop of long-worn climate myths. The letter claims that climate “skepticism” is growing, and yet only has 16 signatories, at least 43% of which have received funding from the fossil fuel industry, and not one single new argument which hasn’t been long-debunked. > > If this is the best today’s climate fake skeptics can do, perhaps, as Patrick Michaels suggests, they are losing the battle. We can only hope that this is the case. As I mentioned before, it it was just bias what we are discussing I would expect to see guys like Goldberg just tweaking the news, but that is not the only thing that they are doing. They depend on discredited sources of information to manufacture controversy where the is virtually none. And in a subject that is bound to affect all, no matter what biases one has. Once again, spectacular failures on identifying bias in the media like that \*\*ongoing \*\*one should make anyone doubt about most of what the current right wing experts in bias report as such in the so called “liberal media”. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998/97 "2013-04-12T16:57:40Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Since this is Fox we’re talking about, making everyone rich would, by definition, solve all the world’s problems. And they’d never say Obama made them rich; they’d say that everyone made themselves rich after the government got out of their way, and that Obama should have done it sooner. Does that include the near depression and 2 wars that Bush Jr. left us in…notice how many rich were made by his policies. Remember he inherited a surplus that was used up before he left office! I guess the government was out of the way then, was it not? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998/98 "2013-04-12T17:37:32Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > Does that include the near depression and 2 wars that Bush Jr. You mean Bush Jr. (D) ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998/99 "2013-04-12T18:12:52Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > Does that include the near depression and 2 wars that Bush Jr. left us in…notice how many rich were made by his policies. Remember he inherited a surplus that was used up before he left office! > > I guess the government was out of the way then, was it not? That’s ancient history and in no way relevant to the current situation. It’s hardly even worth mentioning the name of George W. Bush. If you want an example of a modern Republican president, you need look no further than Reagan. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998/100 "2013-04-13T12:24:09Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > You mean Bush Jr. (D) I think you know I meant GW Bush. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-as-a-source/651998.md?page=6)