# Fox does it again -- Meet John McCain, D-AZ **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 8, 2008, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757 "2008-02-08T02:37:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757/1 "2008-02-08T02:37:22Z")
Fox News never gets tired of [making this mistake](http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/fnc/fnc_puts_mccain_in_the_democratic_party_76962.asp): > [@](#): > No doubt we will hear the same tired excuse; Oops! it was an unintentional human error! (tee hee). I don’t support McCain, but I dislike this kind of sleazy tactic, no matter who the target. ---
**Author:** ![Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/96bed5/32.png) [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patty_O_Furniture)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757/2 "2008-02-08T02:49:52Z")
Well Andy Coulter says he’s more liberal than Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757/3 "2008-02-08T02:55:59Z")
oh good grief. McCain (essentially) has won the repub nomination. Ain’t no fucking way Fox won’t support him in the national, ergo no way they are intending to fuck w/him now. And I hate Fox. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757/4 "2008-02-08T03:15:21Z")
[QUOTE=wring] McCain (essentially) has won the repub nomination. [/QUOTE] With [Dobson finally weighing in](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080208/ap_on_el_pr/dobson_huckabee_3), the Huckster can _still_ turn things around for America’s Party! ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757/5 "2008-02-08T03:27:31Z")
[QUOTE=wring] oh good grief. McCain (essentially) has won the repub nomination. Ain’t no fucking way Fox won’t support him in the national, ergo no way they are intending to fuck w/him now. And I hate Fox. [/QUOTE] It almost makes me think this is a new method of manipulating the sheeple, I mean public. Maybe fox, Limbaugh, et. al., think they can swing a bunch of independents and “Reagan Democrats” over to the GOP ticket if they continue complaining about how liberal McCain is, never mind that his voting record paints him as one of the most conservative in the Senate. It’s just too pat if you ask me, but believing crap like this is the first step on the path to tin-foil hat world. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757/6 "2008-02-08T04:32:20Z")
We have seemingly nice rational posters on this board complaining McCain is too liberal and that he is not a true conservative and a betrayer of the GOP. I don’t think Rush & Fox are playing some weird game of mirrors, I think they are honestly just that twisted that they don’t even know what a conservative is. Some of them think Huck is a conservative when he is nothing but a Theo-Con populist. Romney had very little real conservative cred in his record. This world has gone bizarro. Jim ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757/7 "2008-02-08T04:48:11Z")
I want my party back, dammit! Dump all the religious nutjobs, and get back to economic rationality and small government. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757/8 "2008-02-08T04:58:35Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] I want my party back, dammit! Dump all the religious nutjobs, and get back to economic rationality and small government. [/QUOTE] When you succeed, I will be happy to return, I officially left the party yesterday. I gave up the fight. Maybe we can resurrect the Bull-Moose Party? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757/9 "2008-02-08T05:05:29Z")
Yep. I changed my registration to \ Democrat for the second time in my life this year so I could vote against Hillary in the primary (the first time was so I could vote against Tom Hayden in a primary). As it stands now, I’m hoping for an Obama/McCain contest. that way I’ll be reasonably satisfied whoever wins. But I want a new party. Bull Moose would do just fine. The only thing that scares me more than the Radical Left is the Religious Right. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757/10 "2008-02-08T05:19:51Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] I want my party back, dammit! Dump all the religious nutjobs, and get back to economic rationality and small government. [/QUOTE] If I ever saw **any** evidence that the GOP was into economic rationality and small government, I would consider voting Republican. As it is, I have voted ~60% Democratic and 20% Libertarian and 20% independent in past presidential elections. The GOP, to me at least, seems to be the party of defense contractors, corporate America, the religious right, and legislated morality. The Democrats, while not being much (i.e. any) better with regards to small government and fiscal responsibility, at least doesn’t try to control my actions or force their morality and religion down my throat. YMMV and all that. ---
**Author:** ![gazpacho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6f9a4e/32.png) [@gazpacho](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gazpacho)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757/11 "2008-02-08T05:22:29Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] We have seemingly nice rational posters on this board complaining McCain is too liberal and that he is not a true conservative and a betrayer of the GOP. [/QUOTE] Well he has betrayed the GOP of the last few years. He has of at least a few occasions expressed opinions that have not been throughly vetted with powers that be in the GOP. It will be interesting to see if the powers that be are so cranky at not being able to call all of the shots that they take their ball and go home in the fall. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757/12 "2008-02-08T06:23:27Z")
Never attribute to malice what you can attribute to stupidity. Isn’t it at all possible that Fox News just has a bunch of retarded monkeys at the keyboards, instead of Republican conspirators? Just asking. Stupid or evil, makes no nevermind to me. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757/13 "2008-02-08T07:39:21Z")
😃 Guys, you’re not getting the reference: Daz is a washing powder! They’re saying he’s whiter than white! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757/14 "2008-02-08T07:48:56Z")
[QUOTE=Bosstone] Isn’t it at all possible that Fox News just has a bunch of retarded monkeys at the keyboards, instead of Republican conspirators? Just asking. Stupid or evil, makes no nevermind to me. [/QUOTE] Could be both: > [@](#): > > [Fox News has trumpeted its acquisition of former top White House aide Karl Rove](http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Is_Fox_getting_their_moneys_worth_0207.html) as a political analyst in recent days. But is the “fair and balanced” news network getting its money’s worth from President Bush’s political architect? ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757/15 "2008-02-08T08:00:34Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] Maybe we can resurrect the Bull-Moose Party? 😉 [/QUOTE] Eh, fuck that. Whig party in '08! ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757/16 "2008-02-08T08:28:23Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] I want my party back, dammit! Dump all the religious nutjobs, and get back to economic rationality and small government. [/QUOTE] I swear we are twin brothers by different mothers. I agree. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757/17 "2008-02-08T16:11:35Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] I want my party back, dammit! Dump all the religious nutjobs, and get back to economic rationality and small government. [/QUOTE] So, you were in “the party” back in the 70’s? I thought you were younger than that. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757/18 "2008-02-08T16:23:33Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] Yep. I changed my registration to \ Democrat for the second time in my life this year so I could vote against Hillary in the primary (the first time was so I could vote against Tom Hayden in a primary). As it stands now, I’m hoping for an Obama/McCain contest. that way I’ll be reasonably satisfied whoever wins. But I want a new party. Bull Moose would do just fine. The only thing that scares me more than the Radical Left is the Religious Right. [/QUOTE] I would be very happy with Obama vs. McCain. Two candidates I like and respect in the same year, that would be amazing. It is rare that I have had a single candidate I liked and respected. [QUOTE=gazpacho] Well he has betrayed the GOP of the last few years. He has of at least a few occasions expressed opinions that have not been throughly vetted with powers that be in the GOP. It will be interesting to see if the powers that be are so cranky at not being able to call all of the shots that they take their ball and go home in the fall. [/QUOTE] I don’t think McCain has betrayed the GOP, he has just did not toe the line with the Bush/Cheney/Tom Delay/Rush Windbag wing of the party, which sadly is the GOP leadership for all too long now. My reason for leaving the party. [QUOTE=Merijeek] So, you were in “the party” back in the 70’s? I thought you were younger than that. -Joe [/QUOTE] \*\*Silenus \*\* has at least 10 years on me and I was a Young Republican going back to 1983 and voted for Reagan in 1984. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757/19 "2008-02-08T16:30:47Z")
[QUOTE=Eyer8] It almost makes me think this is a new method of manipulating the sheeple, I mean public. Maybe fox, Limbaugh, et. al., think they can swing a bunch of independents and “Reagan Democrats” over to the GOP ticket if they continue complaining about how liberal McCain is, never mind that his voting record paints him as one of the most conservative in the Senate. It’s just too pat if you ask me, but believing crap like this is the first step on the path to tin-foil hat world. [/QUOTE] Yeah! And the Left is only criticizing Hillary because they want to make her look more moderate! Well, that’s not true, either. ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2008, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757/20 "2008-02-08T16:42:36Z")
It should be telling that Republicans are voting for a guy with supposed Democratic leanings. And I don’t see the point of Fox doing this at this late a stage. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-does-it-again-meet-john-mccain-d-az/436757.md?page=2)