# Fox is intentionally and gradually shifting away from Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 2, 2022, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817 "2022-09-02T13:16:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/1 "2022-09-02T13:16:39Z")
[‘Fox & Friends’ host Steve Doocy calls out Donald Trump: ‘Why did he have all that secret stuff at Mar-a-Lago?’ (yahoo.com)](https://news.yahoo.com/fox-friends-host-steve-doocy-075044933.html) I saw that someone had posted the above link on another thread and thought it might be a good idea to assemble all evidence here of recent shifts in Fox policy to question and/or criticize Trump. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/2 "2022-09-02T13:26:08Z")
This should be interesting to watch (from afar) as it plays out. I hope Fox and then hopefully OAN and the other like-minded stations do move away from Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/3 "2022-09-02T13:26:56Z")
**If only** the GOP would. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/4 "2022-09-02T13:28:32Z")
I feel like this has been happening since the election, or at least since J6, and all it’s seemed to do is convince the MAGA crowd that Fox is now fully part of the MSM and OANN and Newsmax are the only trustworthy news sources. But also, all of these major news outlets are losing influence to social media grifters. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/5 "2022-09-02T13:33:38Z")
> You’ve got to know when to hold 'em > Know when to fold 'em > Know when to walk away > And know when to run ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/6 "2022-09-02T13:36:31Z")
And pushing CNN to want to try and appeal to Republicans to try to capture those leaving Fox. And I think it will fail, because (former) Fox watchers have spent way too much time vilifying CNN as being biased brainwashing, while those who were watching CNN object to the change and have started [#BoycottCNN](https://twitter.com/hashtag/BoycottCNN). ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/7 "2022-09-02T14:01:05Z")
Poor Steve! The Deep State has gotten to the ~~Douch~~ Duce! ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/8 "2022-09-02T17:12:05Z")
This reminds me of the whole Gaddafi thing with the “line in the sand”, which kept moving. So your favorite news source starts saying stuff you don’t want to hear - you abandon them for a news source that does say stuff you want to hear. Then, that news source starts saying stuff you don’t want to hear, and you make another move. Rinse and repeat. Just a thought: perhaps it’s not the information being shared that’s the problem here? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/9 "2022-09-02T17:16:56Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And pushing CNN to want to try and appeal to Republicans to try to capture those leaving Fox. And I think it will fail, because (former) Fox watchers have spent way too much time vilifying CNN as being biased brainwashing, while those who were watching CNN object to the change and have started [#BoycottCNN](https://twitter.com/hashtag/BoycottCNN). Vilified or not, I really can’t recommend CNN as a news source to anyone. I am curious about this new NewsNation that I’ve been seeing popping up, here and there. Until now, everyone has always had to recommend Al-Jazeera for unbiased news. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/10 "2022-09-02T17:33:02Z")
This has been going on for a while. On July 29, The New York Times [reported](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/29/business/media/fox-news-donald-trump-rupert-murdoch.html?unlocked_article_code=s0hDUJzFR49fnAa-ZWz3xqOqikpulOdRaai2GX6-1wOA9R5ocpqj3oiWruXjc-zsnw9lE97Y5XrXoQZwyGWQhUuUdIZAyj3oUC4c5mjzdqpOv44wbF37tecrbbzv2N9JpI2sQhb-roIgOXUFsIl9qbfCHXSr-47tD_MuFStTbMdRI_o8freRx8JXsHPuPEAR2qwHH1J6gfpEz-2NYswSbr3ejdsLNFFTOtdYW-zmfkU6LXwTh2Ub7mOitBTdvplUMQXl0LLHm4pmz9ZmJd401l48HqgZ30-uDqo_7DCaf4gmkg8zZYf2yzeZNz7OLb3Q0Ufnxp0EzyxFN0FaEHAVLkZFQ9IA5alV61ye7zX5A4mUdCM&smid=share-url) (gift link), "It’s been more than 100 days since Donald J. Trump was interviewed on Fox News. The network, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch and boosted Mr. Trump’s ascension from real estate developer and reality television star to the White House, is now often bypassing him in favor of showcasing other Republicans." ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/11 "2022-09-02T17:42:42Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I am curious about this new NewsNation that I’ve been seeing popping up, here and there. Until now, everyone has always had to recommend Al-Jazeera for unbiased news. NewsNation, which was originally a spin-off of the cable superstation run by WGN in Chicago, initially positioned themselves as “news, with no agenda,” and were overtly trying to find a space to occupy in the cable news category that was different from Fox, CNN, and MSNBC. But, within about a year, they changed tactics, due to low ratings. They hired former Fox News exec Bill Shine, their evening lineup is now primarily personality-driven opinion shows (they also just hired Chris Cuomo), and the network is now seen by many as having a conservative bent, despite continuing to promote that they present “both sides.” For a little reference: > [@](#): > > According to an [article published on the NewsNation Now website in 2021](https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/newsnation-rated-neutral-in-bias-most-reliable-in-latest-media-bias-chart/), the media company was rated “neutral in bias” and the “most reliable” in the January 2021 edition of the Media Bias Chart. > > On the [most recent version of the Media Bias Chart](https://adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/?utm_source=SourcePage&utm_medium=OnPageLink), however, NewsNation falls between “Middle” and “Skews Right”. Nevertheless, [Ad Fontes Media](https://adfontesmedia.com/newsnation-now-bias-reliability/) currently rates NewsNation in the “Middle” category of bias, and as “reliable” in its analysis and fact reporting. > **[NewsNation hires former CNN anchor a year after 'conservative bias concerns'](https://www.thefocus.news/tv-and-movies/is-newsnation-conservative-or-liberal-chris-cuomo-gets-primetime-show/)** > > Chris Cuomo has joined NewsNation, where he’ll be hosting a primetime show this autumn – is the media company conservative or liberal? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/12 "2022-09-02T18:13:27Z")
In general, these people seem fine: > **[Leland Vittert](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leland_Vittert)** > > Leland Holt Vittert (born August 31, 1982)\[citation needed\] is an American journalist who is the anchor and national correspondent for NewsNation. He worked for Fox News from 2010 to 2021, initially as a foreign correspondent based in Jerusalem and later as a news presenter. He was a substitute host on Fox & Friends, America's Newsroom, and Happening Now. > Vittert was born on August 31, 1982 in Illinois. Vittert earned a Bachelor of Arts from the Medill School of Journalism at Northwestern Univer... > **[Dan Abrams](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Abrams)** > > Daniel Abrams (born May 20, 1966) is an American media entrepreneur, television host, legal commentator, and author. He is currently the host of the prime-time show Dan Abrams Live on NewsNation, On Patrol: Live on Reelz and The Dan Abrams Show: Where Politics Meets The Law on SiriusXM's P.O.T.U.S. channel. He is also the Chief Legal Analyst of ABC News. > Abrams was the host of Live PD on the A&E cable network and created and hosts Court Cam, a Law&Crime production on A&E. He was formerly an an... And these ones seem pretty far from crazy righties: > **[Marni Hughes, anchor](https://www.newsnationnow.com/author/marni-hughes/)** > > Marni Hughes is the anchor for NewsNation Live. Hughes believes the best journalists are those who stay curious, truly listen, and understand the power of a well-told story. It’s those fundamental … > **[Adrienne Bankert](https://www.newsnationnow.com/author/adrienne-bankert/)** > > Meet Adrienne Bankert, host of Morning in America! Morning in America airs weekdays from 7ET to 10 ET. An Emmy award-winning veteran journalist, Bankert joined NewsNation in April 2021 as… ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/13 "2022-09-03T11:25:25Z")
Rupert Murdoch prefers to favour winners. He didn’t get where he is today without being able to judge which way the wind’s blowing. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/14 "2022-09-03T13:20:14Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And pushing CNN to want to try and appeal to Republicans to try to capture those leaving Fox. [CNN.com](http://CNN.com) at least seems to be staying anti-trump for now. I love articles like this that call out his hypocrisy: [https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/03/politics/trump-jail-sentences-mishandled-classified-information-kfile/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/03/politics/trump-jail-sentences-mishandled-classified-information-kfile/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/15 "2022-09-03T14:20:40Z")
Is there a cable or satellite television company that still carries OANN or Newsmax? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/16 "2022-09-03T14:30:57Z")
I wonder if Doocy realizes that as the guy tasked with the early stages of the shift from Trump, that he naturally is the guy the network can get rid of it this shift away proves problematc. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/17 "2022-09-03T14:37:55Z")
Newsmax got big on satellite and is still available on DirecTV and Dish, as well as a bunch of major cable providers. OAN is more niche and they got dropped by DirecTV, but I see that I can still get it from one of the major cable providers in my area. Only one though and definitely not the top ones. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/18 "2022-09-03T14:37:57Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Is there a cable or satellite television company that still carries OANN or Newsmax? Oddly enough, Newsmax is available in the UK, as one of the options\* on a data channel buried down the bottom of the EPG on the terrestrial broadcast platform Freeview \*Which include assorted holy roller and foreign language services, among them France24, which is how I stumbled on it. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/19 "2022-09-03T14:37:59Z")
Rats abandoning a sinking ship. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/20 "2022-09-03T15:35:39Z")
“Rats Abandon Stinking Shit” (Watergate-era headline from National Lampoon if memory serves) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817.md?page=2)