# Fox is intentionally and gradually shifting away from Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 2, 2022, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817 "2022-09-02T13:16:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/21 "2022-09-03T15:37:46Z")
Thx for the nostalgia. Everything old really is new again. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/22 "2022-09-03T15:44:47Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > > You’ve got to know when to hold 'em > > Know when to fold 'em > > Know when to walk away > > And know when to run See also: > Meet the new boss > Same as the old boss Fox hasn’t had a change of heart. They’ve just decided that Donald Trump is no longer a useful tool in advancing the right wing agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/23 "2022-09-03T17:07:09Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > [Dan Abrams - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Abrams) Ehh, Sirius is a pretty righty station. Or am I missing your point? ---
**Author:** ![Lancia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lancia/32/17174_2.png) [@Lancia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lancia)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/24 "2022-09-03T18:12:21Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > I hope Fox and then hopefully OAN and the other like-minded stations do move away from Trump > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > They’ve just decided that Donald Trump is no longer a useful tool in advancing the right wing agenda. The problem is is that if/when Fox dumps Trump _someone_ needs to be the new cult leader that they can put on their gold throne. Right now its looking like the new Jim Jones is going to be DeSantis, who frankly appears to be the second coming of Hitler. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/25 "2022-09-03T18:15:55Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > > > [Dan Abrams - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Abrams) > > Ehh, Sirius is a pretty righty station. Or am I missing your point? The only reason I can think of to call Sirius “right wing” is because they hired Joe Rogan - a non-PC liberal who brings in a shit-load of money - to do his show on their platform. If hiring a liberal is your definition of “right wing” then I don’t know what to tell you other than that breaking the orthodoxy doesn’t put you on the other side. Their news lineup spans the continuum and their comedy includes the Netflix channel. > **[List of Sirius XM Radio channels](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sirius_XM_Radio_channels)** > > Since 2008, Sirius XM Radio has had a similar channel lineup, with a few differences based on whether the individual has a Sirius, XM, or SiriusXM radio. For technical reasons, separate radios continue to be manufactured for the separate services despite the programming lineups having since been merged. The Lynx and Edge radios are on the SiriusXM platform, the Onyx and XM3pi radios are on the XM platform, and the Sportster and Starmate radios are on the Sirius platform. > The following is a lis... But, for the sake of argument, let’s assume that it was Fox Radio. Tucker Carlson was a guy on CNN and Shepard Smith was on Fox. The general thrust of a place, be as it may, that doesn’t necessarily say anything about the individual. I don’t know Abrams but he started “geek girl website”, works as a legal consultant for NBC News, and there’s no “Controversies” section on his Wikipedia page. I don’t see any strong reason to think that he’s anything other than normal, from anything I see. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/26 "2022-09-03T18:37:47Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > Rupert Murdoch prefers to favour winners. He didn’t get where he is today without being able to judge which way the wind’s blowing. By this logic, Fox would have been all aboard the Obama train in 2008. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/27 "2022-09-03T19:05:21Z")
It used to be, before the 2020 election, my daffy MAGA landlord would watch Fox News every day, starting with The Five and rolling right through Tucker Carlson four hours later. He hasn’t watched it in a long time. Not conservative _enough_ for him. (But now he refers to Alex Jones by his first name, and calls him “the tip of the spear against the New World Order.” I’d ask him if he means Hogan, Hall, and Nash, but I don’t think he’d get the joke.) ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/28 "2022-09-03T19:32:18Z")
I saw a quote from a Fox exec in 2020 responding to a question about how the network would handle a Trump loss. Paraphrasing, it was “we’re quite comfortable being the voice of the opposition party.” I think that’s true. Fox sells grievance, not success. I’m a little interested in this recent rightward drift at CNN. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/29 "2022-09-03T20:12:49Z")
I posted this elsewhere - Congressman Mo Brooks getting into it with a Fox News host who wasn’t buying his “stolen election” bluster. > **[WATCH: GOP Rep. Mo Brooks erupts after Fox News host pushes back against...](https://www.businessinsider.com/mo-brooks-fox-news-2020-election-fraud-exchange-2022-5)** > > "The courts are not the final arbiter of who wins federal election contests," said Rep. Mo Brooks in an exchange with Fox News host Sandra Smith. Fox News producers/editors likely realize that Trump’s Crisis Clinic is going down in flames and heading over the falls, and prefer that the G.O.P. not share his fate, at least in 2022. If Trump’s flailing Senate and House candidates somehow turn it around by November, expect Fox News to scurry back under Trump’s skirts. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/30 "2022-09-03T20:18:24Z")
“The courts are not the final arbiter of who wins federal election contests.” Um. Then who the hell is, Mo? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/31 "2022-09-03T20:23:00Z")
> [@Lancia](#): > > The problem is is that if/when Fox dumps Trump _someone_ needs to be the new cult leader that they can put on their gold throne. Right now its looking like the new Jim Jones is going to be DeSantis, who frankly appears to be the second coming of Hitler. Sure, somebody has to be the front man. And it’s looking like DeSantis is in front of the pack. The right wing existed before Trump and the Maga crowd. And it will still be around after them. Trump’s mistake is thinking he’s indispensable. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/32 "2022-09-03T20:24:45Z")
The Trumpist Party, obviously is the only entity entitled to decide the election winners. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/33 "2022-09-03T20:27:24Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > I saw a quote from a Fox exec in 2020 responding to a question about how the network would handle a Trump loss. Paraphrasing, it was “we’re quite comfortable being the voice of the opposition party.” > > I think that’s true. Fox sells grievance, not success. No, I think the reality is Fox succeeds by selling grievances. They need to keep the mob unhappy and scared. But the leaders of the right wing make sure they get what they want. They didn’t worry if Trump lost the election in 2020 because they had already ensured they had control of the Supreme Court and could run the country through that. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/34 "2022-09-03T20:39:55Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > The only reason I can think of to call Sirius “right wing” is because they hired Joe Rogan - a non-PC liberal who brings in a shit-load of money - to do his show on their platform. If hiring a liberal is your definition of “right wing” then I don’t know what to tell you other than that breaking the orthodoxy doesn’t put you on the other side. I don’t know what definition of liberal you are using. A liberal would not have guests from the alt-right on their show and _then not debunk them_. And it wasn’t the liberals who were going around spreading false information about COVID-19. Nor is it liberals who got caught saying racist shit that even Spotify had to pull. And don’t forget all his transphobic, gender-essentialist bullshit. He does also have some left-wing kooks on, too. So maybe you could argue he’s some sort of centrist or moderate. But he’s hardly a liberal. It wasn’t conservatives who objected to Spotify signing him, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/35 "2022-09-03T20:47:27Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > The only reason I can think of to call Sirius “right wing” is because they hired Joe Rogan - a non-PC liberal who brings in a shit-load of money - to do his show on their platform. If hiring a liberal is your definition of “right wing” then I don’t know what to tell you other than that breaking the orthodoxy doesn’t put you on the other side. [https://thehill.com/homenews/media/3541614-joe-rogan-desantis-would-be-a-good-president/](https://thehill.com/homenews/media/3541614-joe-rogan-desantis-would-be-a-good-president/) ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/36 "2022-09-03T22:02:47Z")
@BigT @Smapti Rogan is an idiot with an excessive eye to personal freedoms (IMO). Nevertheless, orthodoxical approach to political discussion and a book burning/cast out the heretics methodology is not the boundary of liberalism. Rogan is a lefty. Most people on the left, if you were to talk to them, you’d discover are idiots who you vociferously disagree with. You just don’t hang out with them and, probably, they’re all mostly more like Rogan and that’s why he’s raking it in. Anti-vaxx was a lefty thing until Covid, far more than it was a righty thing. > **[Joe Rogan Fights Critics Who Claim He’s a Republican, Defends Gay Marriage:...](https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/joe-rogan-slams-critics-republican-1235324809/)** > > Joe Rogan pushed back against claims that he’s a “secret conservative,” saying on a recent episode of his Spotify podcast that Republicans’ opposition to gay marriage is one… Republican intellectuals didn’t think that the close friend of Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein, Donald Trump, had any connection to the party or its base because half of everything he wanted was anathema to the platform. There’s a danger to spending too much time in the ivory tower and ignoring who the people are down below, and what they’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/37 "2022-09-03T22:26:05Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > I think that’s true. Fox sells grievance, not success. I think they thrived from 2008-2016. It’s almost better for them to have an Obama or Biden in the White House. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/38 "2022-09-04T00:11:09Z")
Karl Rove was on Fox Thursday to basically say ‘you can stick a fork in Trump now’ [Karl Rove Tears into Trump for Taking Highly Sensitive Documents [SEE THE VIDEO] - The Yeshiva World](https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/2120292/karl-rove-tears-into-trump-for-taking-highly-sensitive-documents-see-the-video.html) ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/39 "2022-09-04T00:56:43Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Rogan is a lefty. That’s a riot! > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Most people on the left, if you were to talk to them, you’d discover are idiots who you vociferously disagree with. Speak for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/40 "2022-09-04T01:54:43Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > Fox sells grievance, not success. Excellent point, I think. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817.md?page=3)