# Fox is intentionally and gradually shifting away from Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 2, 2022, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817 "2022-09-02T13:16:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/41 "2022-09-04T02:07:44Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Rogan is an idiot with an excessive eye to personal freedoms (IMO). Nevertheless, orthodoxical approach to political discussion and a book burning/cast out the heretics methodology is not the boundary of liberalism. > > Rogan is a lefty. Rogan is a shit-stirrer with lefty leanings. But his job is to stir the shit first. And pushing DeSantis to run vs trump is a GREAT idea. I heartily approve. Mind you DeSantis is just trump-lite, but still- _not trump._ ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/42 "2022-09-04T10:28:25Z")
@Sage_Rat I know it’s a minor point but upon rereading I see I was somehow confusing “Sirius” with “Sinclair” who are certainly right-wing. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/43 "2022-09-04T11:19:58Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Is there a cable or satellite television company that still carries OANN or Newsmax? There must be - one of my Trumpist friends only watches Newsmax these days and he must be getting it from somewhere. Can’t be the internet because he’s not at all computer literate, unless one of his kids set something up on a browser for him. > [@Lancia](#): > > Right now its looking like the new Jim Jones is going to be DeSantis, who frankly appears to be the second coming of Hitler. No, that’s Putin these days, which would make DeSantis the third coming of Hitler. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/44 "2022-09-07T12:42:08Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I think they thrived from 2008-2016. It’s almost better for them to have an Obama or Biden in the White House. Well to me this was obvious during the Trump presidency. They had to invent this concept of the “deep state”, because being in power means being accountable, and that isn’t their style at all. Their rhetoric is “something bad is happening somewhere [whether real or imaginary] and it’s all the other tribe’s fault”. And it’s much easier to say this when you’re the opposition. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/45 "2022-09-09T13:41:29Z")
Maybe I’m wrong, but I’m not seeing that DeSantis has the same sort of weird personal charisma that Trump has. To me anyway, he comes across as a pretty standard politician, and when he tries something out of that mold, he comes across as a grumpy asshole. His policies are pretty extreme and in line with Trumpism/Tea Party/etc… but personally he doesn’t seem like he’s got the magnetism to pull it off. I think he’s going to seem repellent to people who might have liked Trump’s personality/attitude, but weren’t as concerned with the policies. Without the personality, the focus will be on the policies and I’m wondering if that may be somewhat less than palatable to a lot of people. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/46 "2022-09-10T12:53:50Z")
Another sign the honeymoon is over. > **[Trump threatens to sue Fox over Lincoln Project ad](https://www.newsnationnow.com/banfield/see-you-all-in-court-trump-threatens-to-sue-fox-news/)** > > Donald Trump reportedly threatened to sue Fox News over what he termed a “false advertisement” about him from the Lincoln Project. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/47 "2022-09-10T13:24:27Z")
That’s great! His response sounds like that one really hit close to home, and that Fox aired it really got under his skin. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/48 "2022-09-10T13:31:11Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Another sign the honeymoon is over. - > > [Trump threatens to sue Fox News over Lincoln Project ad](https://www.newsnationnow.com/banfield/see-you-all-in-court-trump-threatens-to-sue-fox-news/) Fox News: “Bring a _real_ lawyer this time.” (not an actual quote) ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/49 "2022-09-10T13:50:56Z")
Rick Wilson, one of the founders of the Lincoln Project, reacts to Trump’s threat of a lawsuit. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/O_vAxNjMyfc/maxresdefault.jpg "Rick Reacts: Trump's Meltdown") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_vAxNjMyfc) (Yes, that’s Walter White at the start of the video.) ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/50 "2022-09-10T14:15:31Z")
I know the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy, but I did enjoy that. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/51 "2022-09-10T18:12:55Z")
It’s one thing to put out ads that call him an incomeptant corrupt traitorous rapist. But putting out an ad that threatens his grift revenue stream? That means war! ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/52 "2022-09-10T19:28:46Z")
It sounds more like you have a different definition of “liberal” than most people. That’s why I asked how you were defining the term. The fact that so many people disagree with you does not mean they are some “ivory tower liberals.” For example, I live in rural Arkansas. Most (but not all) of the people I know are conservatives. And we’re actually going to have to apply for food stamps, so you can hardly call consider me rich. Having some liberal views is not generally considered enough to be a liberal. Moderates generally have a mix of liberal and conservative views. Libertarians often claim liberal views, saying they are “socially liberal but financially conservative.” Most progressives also share views with liberals to some degree, even. Sure, liberals don’t all agree with each other on everything, but they do have some standards. You also seem to conflate lefty and liberal. Yes, there are leftwing people who are anti-vax. But they’re not generally considered liberals. They’re considered to be a lunatic fringe, while liberalism is part of the mainstream (along with progressives). Liberalism tends to define itself as accepting the science. The only people I know who use “lefty” and “liberal” as synonyms are people on the right, who think everyone to the left of them is liberal. You actually give a useful metric, but you stop short. You state that prominent conservatives would not consider Rogan one of them. Fine. But the same is true of prominent liberals. So, by that metric, he is neither. And, as I pointed out, he is a friend of the alt-right, because he has them on but doesn’t refute them. There is a debate among liberals on whether or not you should platform such people. But even those who say yes say that the goal is free speech, not spreading their ideas unchallenged. So not challenging them is a bad thing. Even if Rogan is just an idiot, he’s a useful idiot to them. And that’s a problem, especially with someone as popular as he is. As was his pushing of anti-vax conspiracy nonsense–which he originally opposed, but changed his mind because of all the loonies he listened to. Loonies who were right wing. But, if I had to give him a label, I’d probably go with “libertarian”, given the candidates he’s supported in the past. But, honestly, he just seems confused, without a consistent ideology. Sure, you can say most people are like that. But then I don’t see why you also consider those people to be “liberal.” I’ll stick with what appears to be the consensus definition. I am a descriptivist after all. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/53 "2022-09-10T20:16:35Z")
For Republicans, and maybe I’m a sucker, but those guys ain’t all bad. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/54 "2022-09-13T17:11:21Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I know the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy, but I did enjoy that. I’m on the fence. I can’t decide which is the more accurate parallel for the Lincoln Republicans: - Post-Mussolini Italy, who declared war on Nazi Germany, but were designated “co-belligerents” rather than Allies; - The Soviet Union under Stalin, definitely considered one of the Allies even though they were the nastier piece of work. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/55 "2022-11-10T18:12:49Z")
Bump. As a rule I avoid listening to Fox whenever I can, but following the midterms felt it my patriotic duty to listen in. It seems the shift towards being openly critical of Trump and positive towards DeSantis appears to have accelerated quite a bit following the election. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/56 "2022-11-10T18:16:56Z")
That’s excellent! TFG might throw a tizzy now and mess with the Republicans by ignoring their pleas to not make any announcements regarding his prospective 2024 run until after the Warnock/Walker run-off in Georgia. Speculation is that would motivate and mobilize more Democrats to the polls to give Warnock the win. Excellent! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/57 "2022-11-10T18:19:29Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I know the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy, but I did enjoy that. I prefer to quote Maxim 29 from _Schlock Mercenary_: 29. “The enemy of my enemy is my enemy’s enemy. No more. No less.” I think it fits this situation quite well. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/58 "2022-11-11T14:23:55Z")
Re: The Lincoln Project [w/apologies to Casablanca] > I blow with the wind and the prevailing wind happens to be from Vichy. I referred to somebody else, on another thread, as clearly being a stateless grifter, but – at least for now – OUR stateless grifter. Ditto the Lincoln Project. I will also watch and wait to see if Rick Wilson went a skosh too far on this one. It’s always been my understanding the The Bright Red Line with TFG was to say/imply that his net worth was much lower than he claims. While not going there, per se, Wilson landed a couple of (generally viewed as) fairly low blows. Good theater, regardless. ETA: Nope. I just checked. It was actually the Lincoln Project to whom I referred [**elsewhere**](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-08-08-22/969329/325) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/59 "2022-11-11T14:33:51Z")
Republicans are largely blaming Trump for the lack of a Red Wave. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817/60 "2022-11-11T14:46:13Z")
Not the first time Trump has had an issue with a ‘red wave’! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-is-intentionally-and-gradually-shifting-away-from-trump/970817.md?page=4)